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I seem to recall that they won’t look at them unless you attach them, but nb the reg. certificate is not as good as TESS bc it doesn’t show whether it’s live or dead.
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<blockquote type="cite">On Dec 4, 2023, at 12:05 PM, Mark Kaufman via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Correct me if I’m wrong, buttheoretically, doesn’t the mere mention of registration numbers make those registrations a matter of record? And we all just attached the registration certificates and/or TESS status as a convenience for the
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<p class="MsoNormal">I need to file a response today with third-party registrations. If the TESS screen is no longer available, what do I submit? TSDR screen for each one?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For the USPTO, this will also make the TTAB's job more difficult. One used to be able to introduce pleaded and third party registrations into evidence by attaching the easy-to-read TESS screen to a pleading or notice of reliance. The
TSDR screen is much more complicated and much more difficult to read.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 3:03 PM Ignacio, Vanessa A. via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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search system that is less agile in some respects, that will take me and my team MORE TIME to compile the same information as before is unconscionable. Examiners do not need to be concerned with billing their time and devising fee structures that provide value
to clients while still allow some breathing room to make doing this work worthwhile for those of us in private practice. With all the pressure to be “more efficient” in the IP space, removing the useful TESS summary screen is an unwelcome move, one that is
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Reynolds via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 1, 2023 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>; Julia Anne Matheson
<<a href="mailto:jmatheson@potomaclaw.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:jmatheson@potomaclaw.com">jmatheson@potomaclaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Robert Reynolds <<a href="mailto:rreynolds@kandrip.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:rreynolds@kandrip.com">rreynolds@kandrip.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The good news is that the USPTO is aware of how valuable the TESS summary screens were. I saw this brought up in each of the USPTO-led training sessions I attended, and the speakers
acknowledged the same. I’m hopeful that it returns.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-Bob
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>carla calcagno via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 1, 2023 1:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Julia Anne Matheson <<a href="mailto:jmatheson@potomaclaw.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:jmatheson@potomaclaw.com">jmatheson@potomaclaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> carla calcagno <<a href="mailto:cccalcagno@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:cccalcagno@gmail.com">cccalcagno@gmail.com</a>>; For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Agreed! All that information, including first use dates, was so helpful!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:51 PM Julia Anne Matheson <<a href="mailto:jmatheson@potomaclaw.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:jmatheson@potomaclaw.com">jmatheson@potomaclaw.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1f497d">All –</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1f497d">My biggest WHINE to the PTO is that the single page that we used to get in TESS that shows basis, app no, reg. no, full goods/services, status, etc.
is not gone – forcing you to go into TARR (which is a much less agile system) and into each category. It is making what used to be a very simple search process
<u>so much more time intensive</u> and frustrating.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1f497d">Please, PTO lurkers, can you bring BACK the overview search page? To not be able to see this information at a glance is incredibly frustrating.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1f497d">Julia</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>carla calcagno via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Richard Morris <<a href="mailto:richard@4trademark.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:richard@4trademark.com">richard@4trademark.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> carla calcagno <<a href="mailto:cccalcagno@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:cccalcagno@gmail.com">cccalcagno@gmail.com</a>>; For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...</p>
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<p><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">WARNING:</span></strong><span style="color:red">
</span>External email, do not click on links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender’s full email address and expect the attachments.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks Richard
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> But at the bottom of the results page, I get weird marks like "Brappers" and "Heimlich Helper", because they are picking up corporate names as well. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This doesn't matter too much here, as there so few results, but I can imagine a case where the mark is weak and the Search All will get you MANY results. If anyone at the USPTO
is monitoring this, it would be great if they could post on their help page an answer to this. Or, does the PTO have a place where one can send questions that can then be added to the Help page </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:07 PM Richard Morris <<a href="mailto:richard@4trademark.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:richard@4trademark.com">richard@4trademark.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<b>Search by all</b> then you get 21 hits. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">carla calcagno <<a href="mailto:cccalcagno@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:cccalcagno@gmail.com">cccalcagno@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 5:53 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Richard Morris <<a href="mailto:richard@4trademark.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:richard@4trademark.com">richard@4trademark.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks Richard</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You are in basic search right?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And what is the search term you use so that you ONLY get BIG JOHN marks instead of marks containing both those names?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:50 PM Richard Morris via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Susan Crane found the glitch. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">You must
<u>not</u> limit the search to “Wordmark”. You can only search in “Search All”. Try it. You get vastly different results.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> on behalf of "Renee.Kraft
via E-trademarks" <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 5:37 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Renee.Kraft" <<a href="mailto:Renee.Kraft@target.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:Renee.Kraft@target.com">Renee.Kraft@target.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1f497d">I also get 95 results with “big AND john” so at least there’s consistency!
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1f497d">Maybe try closing out of the current search session and starting a new one. You may have accidentally clicked something along the way that’s causing
the issue. I sound like tech support….have you tried rebooting? </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Crane, Susan via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 30, 2023 4:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Crane, Susan <<a href="mailto:susan.crane@wyndham.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:susan.crane@wyndham.com">susan.crane@wyndham.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Odd, when I search “big john” in quotes, I get 95 results for marks consisting of Big John</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0072ce">Susan L. Crane</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Morris via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 30, 2023 5:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Richard Morris <<a href="mailto:richard@4trademark.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:richard@4trademark.com">richard@4trademark.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">I would like to know how to search for a two-word mark. I can search for “BIGJOHN” for example. But when I search for “BIG JOHN” as two
words I get hundreds of trademarks for just the term JOHN and or just the term BIG. I only want to retrieve
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I would like to know how to search for a two-word mark.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I can search for “BIGJOHN” for example. But when I search for “BIG JOHN” as two words I get hundreds of trademarks
for just the term JOHN and or just the term BIG. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I only want to retrieve trademarks that have both words.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Please help.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thanks</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Richard</span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">E-trademarks <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>
on behalf of Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 5:09 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Jessica R. Friedman via E-trademarks" <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Janet Satterthwaite <</span><a href="mailto:jsatterthwaite@potomaclaw.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:jsatterthwaite@potomaclaw.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">jsatterthwaite@potomaclaw.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[E-trademarks] Let me be the first...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">to post a big WHINE about the new search function.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I can't figure out how to search by attorney of record or disclaimers, to name a couple of whines. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Then when you click on a hit, it takes you to TSDR instead of TESS</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">There are so many more whines.</span></p>
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you lurking? THIS IS VERY BAD.</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#666699">Janet F. Satterthwaite</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:gray">|</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#999999">Partner/
Chair, Trademark Practice|Potomac Law Group, PLLC</span></p>
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