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So is the good news that the examining attorneys will be missing
marks too?<br>
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Pam<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
Chestek Legal<br>
300 Fayetteville Street<br>
Unit 2492<br>
Raleigh, NC 27602<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a><br>
(919) 800-8033<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.chesteklegal.com">www.chesteklegal.com</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/5/2023 3:08 PM, Tim Ackermann via
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<div>I see that Ed's right. You can use one of the enhanced
searches (CM2, PM2, TL2, WD2, WP2), assuming that you're
happy to miss the odd mark that's been capitalized, because
they are case-sensitive (for some reason). <br>
So if you didn't want to miss that odd mark -- which would
seem infrequent, I'll concede -- you could instead pluralize
it manually: <br>
CM:digital AND (CM:solver OR CM:solvers)</div>
<div>Or maybe get both:</div>
<div>CM:digital AND (CM:solver OR CM:solvers OR CM2:solver)<br
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<div style="font-size:small">The Ackermann
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face="verdana, sans-serif"><span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">E:
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style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">P:
817.305.0690</span><br>
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style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">F:
214.453.0810</span><br>
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style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">W:
<a href="http://ackermannlaw.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ackermannlaw.com</a></span><br>
<span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">O:
1701 W. Northwest Hwy. Ste. 100</span><br>
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Grapevine TX 76051</span></font></p>
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problem with CM2 is that it's case sensitive. I think
regex is safer for searching plurals.</div>
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<div
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I was not able to find plurals options by searching
"plurals". </div>
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<div
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you don't.</div>
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<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Field
tag CM2 (among others) catches plurals:</div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">CM:digital
AND CM2:solver<br>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Search
Field: CM2 </div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">(Enhanced
combined mark - Combines word, pseudo mark, and
translation fields with stemming and plurals)</div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">The
search field options are pretty powerful, and can
themselves be searched.</div>
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<div
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">(Just
enter "plurals" into the search bar for search
fields and a variety of options appear.)</div>
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href="https://www.nclawspecialists.gov/for-the-public/find-a-board-certified-specialist/results/detail/?id=29473"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Board Certified Specialist in
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<div dir="ltr">Another fun one for plurals:
<div>In "Expert" the first returns one result;
the other returns zero results. <br>
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<div>If in "Basic" it's 12 and 4 results, and
they do not overlap.</div>
<div>Thus, it appears that the system no
longer does any plural-matching for you. </div>
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<div>So, now, if you want to capture plurals,
you have to use regex, such as this: <b>CM:digital
AND CM:/solver[es]{0,2}/</b></div>
<div>So user-friendly!</div>
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style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"Roboto Mono Web","Bitstream Vera Sans Mono",Consolas,Courier,monospace;font-size:14px">/tomato[es]{0,2}/</code> matches
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style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"Roboto Mono Web","Bitstream Vera Sans Mono",Consolas,Courier,monospace;font-size:14px">/januar[yies]{1,4}/</code> matches
January, januaries<br
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Ackermann</div>
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Ackermann Law Firm</div>
<p><font size="1"
face="verdana, sans-serif"><span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">E:
<a
href="mailto:tim@ackermannlaw.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tim@ackermannlaw.com</a></span><br>
<span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">P:
817.305.0690</span><br>
<span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">F:
214.453.0810</span><br>
<span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">W:
<a
href="http://ackermannlaw.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ackermannlaw.com</a></span><br>
<span
style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">O:
1701 W. Northwest
Hwy. Ste. 100</span><br>
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style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">
Grapevine TX
76051</span></font></p>
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30, 2023 at 4:26 PM Richard Morris via
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I
would like to know how to search for
a two-word mark. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I
can search for “BIGJOHN” for
example. But when I search for
“BIG JOHN” as two words I get
hundreds of trademarks for just the
term JOHN and or just the term BIG.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I
only want to retrieve trademarks
that have both words. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Please
help. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Thanks</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Richard</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black">E-trademarks
<<a
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on behalf of Janet Satterthwaite
via E-trademarks <<a
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<b>Reply-To: </b>"For trademark
practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice."
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, November
30, 2023 at 5:09 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Jessica R. Friedman
via E-trademarks" <<a
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<b>Cc: </b>Janet Satterthwaite
<<a
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<b>Subject: </b>[E-trademarks]
Let me be the first...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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a big WHINE about the new search
function.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I can't
figure out how to search by
attorney of record or disclaimers,
to name a couple of whines. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Then
when you click on a hit, it takes
you to TSDR instead of TESS</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">There
are so many more whines.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">PTO<span>—</span>are
you lurking? THIS IS VERY BAD.</span></p>
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