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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>Yes. It didn’t even occur to me that anyone would change the LD field. I tried and tried, kept wasting lots of time and getting tons of dead marks while the essence of my search was live use-based marks, i.e. the opposite. I finally started searching for anything that would help and found an example online. There was no manual or an instruction booklet with the changes relative to TEAS, which would be convenient. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>LD:true what? True live? True dead? Both are true depending. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>Patent practitioners don’t have the long familiar EFS/PAIR tools anymore either, and it is a double disaster. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>Maria<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>----------------------------------------</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'>Maria Eliseeva</span></i></b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'> </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'>Patentbar International </span></i></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'>1-617-332-5800(p)</span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><a href="mailto:maria@patentbar.com" target="_blank">maria@patentbar.com</a></span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:blue'><a href="http://www.patentbar.com/">www.patentbar.com</a></span></u></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Martin, Winfield B. (Perkins Coie) [mailto:WMartin@perkinscoie.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 05, 2023 1:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Maria Eliseeva <maria@patentbar.com><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [E-trademarks] selecting live/dead in search<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This is a small gripe among many more significant ones, but it’s driving me nuts that they changed the terminology for L/D searching that we all used for years and years. Why? Just to ensure that none of our intuitions would stay useful?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Win Martin</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#75787B'> | </span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#D6001C'>Perkins Coie LLP<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#75787B'>PARTNER<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#75787B'>1201 Third Avenue Suite 4900<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#75787B'>Seattle, WA 98101-3099<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#75787B'>D. +1.206.359.3788<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#75787B'>E. <a href="mailto:%20WMartin@perkinscoie.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>WMartin@perkinscoie.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#75787B'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Maria Eliseeva via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 04, 2023 7:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.' <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Maria Eliseeva <<a href="mailto:maria@patentbar.com">maria@patentbar.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] selecting live/dead in search<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>Yes, that worked for me today. It used to be LD:live that we sued for many years, I tried using it today and kept getting dead marks. I did eventually get to the manual to see that now for the reasons that escape me the field should be LD:true. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'>Maria Eliseeva<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> E-trademarks [<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jacob Fritz via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 04, 2023 9:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Jacob Fritz <<a href="mailto:jcbfritz2@gmail.com">jcbfritz2@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] selecting live/dead in search<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I believe that, since you are now using fields tags, you have to use <span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>LD:true</span> instead of the checkboxes.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jake<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Dec 4, 2023, 8:14 PM mary harris via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Using expert (for me, currently a misnomer) mode, I did a search for a field tag (CM) and one class. Once the results came up, I tried at that point to un-check dead marks but it's greyed out. So is that something that you have to do prior to hitting the search command icon? It seems to me that you should be able to look at all the results and THEN narrow them with the toggle switches.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I am so confused!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_8781556706047545628m_3017243124749084689Signature"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="m_8781556706047545628m_3017243124749084689divtagdefaultwrapper"><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mary A. 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