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<p>When I prepare a TEAS form for the client to e-sign, I always
pre-fill the telephone number field so that it is impossible for
the client to change it from what I pre-fill. For some TEAS forms
I put in a line of hyphens or "equals" signs. There are other
TEAS forms where the USPTO designer thinks they are smarter than
you and they make it impossible to just put in a line of hyphens.
They try to force you to put in ten numerical digits. For those
TEAS forms, I fill it with ten zeroes. I bet I have done this
five hundred times in just a few years.<br>
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<p>If you were to click around in TSDR and spot-check a few cases
that I handled, I bet you will find that in <i><b>absolutely
every case </b></i>that you look at, I have done this, so as
to make it impossible for the client to enter anything into that
telephone number field.</p>
<p>Never, not even once, have I gotten any pushback in any way from
anybody at the Trademark Office about this, even though by now I
have done it at least five hundred times on every possible type of
trademark document that a lay person might sign.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/11/2023 5:14 PM, Janet
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We tell client not to fill in the phone number on the signatory
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Janet,
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The applicant's cell phone number is in the filing.
It's in the signatory field.</div>
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<div>Why isn't it redacted automatically?<br>
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The USPTO publishes a dataset of recent applications
every week that anyone can download.</div>
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style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Where
are they getting the phone numbers?</span></div>
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always tell clients NOT to put a phone number
when they sign declarations, to avoid just
this kind of problem.</span></div>
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style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Did
your clients who are getting the calls put
their numbers in the filing? Or are the
scammers finding them some other way?</span></div>
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<div>Hi Diane, </div>
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<div dir="auto">I know a trademark applicant
that this happened to last week. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The caller spoofed the
USPTO's phone number and claimed that the
$250 application fee needed to be paid. </div>
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<div dir="auto">He gave the caller his
credit card number and the last 4 digits
of his social security number. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The FBI should launch an
investigation into this scam operator.</div>
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<div dir="auto">And the USPTO should start
issuing simple payment receipts.<br>
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<div dir="auto">David Michaels, J.D.,
B.Eng.(Mech), CHRM<br>
416-239-1361<br>
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6:37 p.m. dbmelnick--- via
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A client just advised me that she
received a call from someone claiming
to<br>
be the USPTO, asking her to pay a fee
online to complete the registration.<br>
He was calling from a spoofed version
of 571-272-6500, which is a USPTO<br>
phone number.<br>
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Calling the USPTO about this seems
futile, but I do think that this is<br>
beyond what we have seen before and I
am considering further action.<br>
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Diane <br>
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Diane Melnick Esq.<br>
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