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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The number of idiotic refusals I have gotten to service mark specimens over the years just gets me very frustrated. All examiners seem to understand is advertising.
If it isn’t advertising, they don’t get it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>carla calcagno via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> carla calcagno <cccalcagno@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Trade Show booth as specimen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Good Luck Janet! Susan - FYI - I agree with you as to the source of the photo - just explaining my experience, similar to Janet's. This also happens when I have
a car company client whose cars at a trade show are photographed by a third-party
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good Luck Janet! Susan - FYI - I agree with you as to the source of the photo - just explaining my experience, similar to Janet's. This also happens when I have a car company client whose cars at a trade show are photographed by a third-party
digital magazine. If you give the Examiner an URL link from the magazine to the page where a shot of the car sits at the trade show, or a third party has a shot of your client advertising its services at the trade show, the examiner likely will issue you
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is a pain!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 6:24 PM Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The context was helpful. So I submitted all of it . <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will let you know how I get on thx <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Carla,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This is why I would have just submitted the photo on its own, and not the website page it was taken from.
A photo of the services being rendered should not depend on the source of the photo for its acceptability. The trade show booth is the trade show booth, no matter who took a picture of it. Yet another example of examiners not understanding the difference
in specimens for goods vs. services, IMNSHO.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>carla calcagno via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 13, 2023 5:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> carla calcagno <<a href="mailto:cccalcagno@gmail.com" target="_blank">cccalcagno@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Trade Show booth as specimen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi Janet In my experience, the Examiners won't take "third party" shots of your advertising for services or displays associated with the
goods. So I would have submitted your client's own picture of the trade show booth. Apart
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> In my experience, the Examiners won't take "third party" shots of your advertising for services or displays associated with the goods. So I would have submitted your client's own
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Apart from that the key issue for goods specimens is whether the trade show is considered a point-of-sale display. See, TMEP 904.03(g). In at least one case that I have not read
in ages, flyers shown at a trade show were considered displays associated with the goods and thus considered acceptable as specimens.<i><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#333333">In re Ancha Elecs. Inc.</span></i><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#333333">,
1 USPQ2d 1318 (TTAB 1986) (holding that a photograph showing an informational flyer or leaflet clearly depicting the mark and presented on the goods at a trade show exhibit was an acceptable display associated with the goods). But read this section, the USPTO
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#333333">I note that you sometimes say goods and sometimes say services in the email. If the specimens were for services, they should have been
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 2:32 PM Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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