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<blockquote type="cite">On Dec 15, 2023, at 7:33 PM, John Smith via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Regarding #2, I have successfully submitted photo(s) showing the goods inside/around the booth when the booth bears the mark. Depending upon the booth layout and good, I sometimes have to submit a few pictures. The first is a wide-angle shot
that captures both the mark and good in the same frame, followed by additional narrow-angle detailed shots showing the mark and good individually.
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<div>Also, if sales literature near the product bears the mark, then a picture showing the literature by the good should be a sufficient specimen. At most, you would also have to submit a copy of the literature and a picture of the good if it is hard to make
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<div dir="ltr">Based on this email string, there appear to be three different scenarios here;
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<div>1. Advertising your <u><i>own services</i></u> at a trade show ( e.g. ABC accounting or financial sponsorship of races). No point-of-sale display is required. </div>
<div>2. Advertising your <i><u>own goods</u></i> ( e.g tires) at a trade show, without the branded tire or a photo of the branded tire at the trade show, and only relying on a photo of the booth with the mark, but not an opportunity for consumers to purchase
goods through the show. The cases of which I am aware require that point of sale display exists for the specimens showing the sale of one's own goods.</div>
<div>3. Promoting the <i><u>goods of another</u></i> at a trade show - This is a service and no point of sale display issue arises.</div>
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<div>I think the TMEP Section previously referred to and the cases cited there are pretty clear as to what the USPTO may expect. The issue is getting the Examiners to understand what you are submitting and how it fits within the case law.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 13, 2023, at 2:29 PM, Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Hello brain trust</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">We filed a use-based application for MARK for sales and marketing of [consumer goods]. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The specimen was the mark prominently displayed on client's booth at an industry trade show.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The photo of the booth was from an industry blog.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The specimen has been refused, first, b/c the photo was in a third party blog (so???);</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">and second, because it does not show a direct association between the mark and the services.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">How can that be? A booth at a trade show can only be for the purpose of sales and marketing of the goods. Moreover, the blog post described how the goods were displayed at the booth.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Has anyone encountered this before, before I dive in to the research?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">thx</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Janet</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,153)">Janet F. Satterthwaite</span></b><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:gray">|</span><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,153,153)">Partner/
Chair, Trademark Practice|Potomac Law Group, PLLC</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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