<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">If you only sent an e-mail (even though you have a receipt), I suggest calling the attorney for several reasons. First, we have all missed an e-mail - particularly from someone we do not know. Second, some lawyers respond more fully to calls. Third, a call might get more information.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Tony Sarabia</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 4:08 PM Jessica R. Friedman via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg3242286080848711419">
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif;color:black">E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> on behalf of Paul Reidl via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 6:10 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Paul Reidl <<a href="mailto:reidl@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">reidl@sbcglobal.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: No response to letter to attorney<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Following-up on Alex's comments regarding wilfulness, the Ninth Circuit used to put great emphasis on "wilful" conduct in the context of awarding damages and attorneys fees. After the recent Supreme
Court decision in Octane Fitness, the Ninth Circuit has backed away from that. Even before then, the Ninth Circuit looked at intent as intentionally trading on the goodwill of the plaintiff's mark, and it focused on the time of adoption. Simply getting a
demand letter or even being aware of the plaintiff's mark is generally insufficient to prove intent or wilfulness. To my knowledge, the 9th Circuit has never subscribed to the view that getting a demand letter gives the defendant cooties such that they must
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<p class="m_4512650224893484845ydp8a88dd81yiv6001140326msonormal"><a name="m_4512650224893484845__Hlk494874176"></a><a name="m_4512650224893484845__Hlk494874294"></a><span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,114,196)">I agree with the aforementioned. If your client still wants
to be more proactive earlier-on and has evidence to support the 2d refusal that the examiner might not be likely to find and the client wants to pay for a Letter of Protest, that can still be filed to help ensure that the examiner issues a final 2d refusal
citing your client’s mark. </span></span><span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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willful, but I am not 100% certain that case law supports that and, if so, in what jurisdictions.
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<p class="m_4512650224893484845ydp8a88dd81yiv6001140326msonormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,114,196)">However, the value of any of the above v. the value of saving those funds for an opposition or litigation is something for the client to consider, which
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>reidl--- via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 31, 2023 04:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.' <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:reidl@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">reidl@sbcglobal.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXT] Re: [E-trademarks] No response to letter to attorney<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_4512650224893484845ydp8a88dd81yiv6001140326msonormal"><span style="color:rgb(38,40,42)">Different lawyers respond to demand letters differently. It all depends on the circumstances. Without knowing any of the details, one possible scenario is that the lawyer has looked
at the situation and concluded that your client will not (or cannot afford to) sue to stop use. So, you are being ignored. I’ve done this. In one case the other side sends and annual letter that I ignore; been going on for about 8 years. Can you spell
l-a-c-h-e-s? (They do not have a case and I told them so in response to their initial letter). Another scenario might be that the applicant is not all that keen on using the mark so it does not want to invest in a letter war (or litigation). Another might
be that the lawyer is a jerk.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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is looking at an opposition (and, for the sound of it, perhaps a default).</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jessica R. Friedman via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 31, 2023 12:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jessica R. Friedman <<a href="mailto:jrfriedman@litproplaw.com" target="_blank">jrfriedman@litproplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] No response to letter to attorney<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I sent a letter to an attorney whose client has ITU applications pending that conflict with my client’s registered mark. The PTO cited my client’s registration in an OA against the applications,
but the attorney missed the response deadline and filed a petition to revive which has just been granted.
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">My letter detailed likelihood of confusion, asked that they drop the applications and not use the mark, and requested a response by 12/29. I sent it only via Outlook (overnight was not an option).
Outlook sent a delivery receipt, but I have not received a reply. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">This has never happened in my experience, but I also haven’t sent such a letter for a while. Is this par for the course now? What should the next step be? (We don’t need to take immediate action
w/r/t the applications – the PTO may issue a final refusal and they may abandon the applications – but obviously, we don’t want them to start to use the mark.)</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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