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    <p>You are right of course.  Thank you for posting.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/2/2024 12:16 PM, Edward Timberlake
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            make sense to start the year with a gentle reminder to those
            of us with law licenses that it's entirely possible we come
            across as entitled a$$holes when we indulge in declarations
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            influencing who gets a law license and who becomes a
            paralegal), it wouldn't surprise me if we sound more than a
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            lawyers are largely word-workers, perhaps we could work on
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            1:21 PM Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <<a
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                    I don't think so. I think I recall that  there  is a
                    place where you can resubmit something to the
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                    I can go dig up my notes from October if anyone
                    wants the name of the person who helped me.</div>
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                    I think this is the opposite of them giving legal
                    advice. They are trained to look for the magic word
                    and bounce it if they do not see it; it is then up
                    to you to resubmit based on YOUR legal conclusion
                    that it is nevertheless effective and you understand
                    that you are filing at your own risk.</div>
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                    face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Carl
                    Oppedahl <<a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com"
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                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:16 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not
                    for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a
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                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] paralegals that
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                    <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">And I
                      suppose each of these submissions, successful or
                      not, incurred yet another $45 government fee.<br>
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                    <div>On 1/2/2024 10:59 AM, Janet Satterthwaite via
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                          I had this happen recently where the
                          assignment was drafted under Russian law in in
                          Russian translated in to English, and did not
                          have the magic word "goodwill" so it was
                          bounced the same way. There was no way we
                          could go back and get a revised agreement due
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                          I believe I posed the answer at the time, in
                          October 2023, but here is an updated version
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                          I called and asked how to I submit a response
                          to this arguing that while the magic word is
                          not there, it is clear that the document as a
                          whole does effectively transfer the goodwill.</div>
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                          I was told to just resubmit it without any
                          argument (there is no place to enter any
                          argument) and that she would alert the
                          Examiner. This failed the first time b/c she
                          didn't get to the Examiner in time, but then
                          we did it again and it was accepted with a
                          verbal caution that we are aware that there is
                          a risk that the assignment is not proper.</div>
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                                  Satterthwaite</b></span><span
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style="font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(153,153,153)">Partner/ Chair,
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                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] paralegals
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                          <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Not
                            to disagree with you or with David, but I
                            think one of my main points was simply the
                            USPTO behaving in a way that contradicts its
                            own public statement of what its behavior is
                            supposed to be.</p>
                          <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">The
                            public statement is that the USPTO does not
                            carry out "a determination of the legality
                            of the transaction" and does not "verify the
                            validity of the information" in the
                            document.  Indeed if the USPTO were to carry
                            out such "legality" and "validity" analysis,
                            it seems to me the USPTO would be wrong to
                            put anyone but a law school graduate onto
                            the task.  For the USPTO to delegate this
                            analysis to someone whose education is
                            limited to a two-year community college
                            program seems wrong.</p>
                          <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">And
                            setting aside whether it is right or wrong
                            to entrust this analysis to someone who
                            never set foot in a law school, the plain
                            fact is that the USPTO expressly says it
                            doesn't and won't do such analysis.  As
                            such, it strikes me as wrong for the USPTO
                            to pursue a secret policy of doing such
                            analysis when it says it doesn't and won't.</p>
                          <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">And
                            it's wrong for the USPTO to have its
                            non-lawyer telephone representative offering
                            to send out an assignment that she says will
                            be legally effective given that in her view
                            the assignment that we e-filed was not
                            legally effective.  All of this based, as
                            she condescendingly explained, on checking
                            to see whether the word "goodwill" did or
                            did not appear in the document.  No other
                            analysis was needed, as she explained
                            things.  Merely checking for the presence or
                            absence of one magic word was all that she
                            needed to do, she explained.<br>
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                          <div>On 1/2/2024 10:34 AM, Katherine Markert
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                                <span
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                                <span
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                                  never professed to be an
                                  administrative law expert, nor do I
                                  think you were suggesting that I
                                  proclaimed myself as such.
                                </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">  
                                  I would appreciate you clarifying some
                                  of your response, for my own
                                  edification. 
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                                <span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Are
                                  you saying that the USPTO’s practice,
                                  of verifying that the cover sheet and
                                  underlying document are consistent,
                                  runs afoul of administrative law? 
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                                <span
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                                  you view it as acceptable for the
                                  USPTO to verify the cover sheet and
                                  underlying document (but don’t like
                                  the current procedure of merely
                                  looking for the term “goodwill”), what
                                  is a more suitable way for the PTO’s
                                  paralegals to verify consistency of
                                  the cover sheet and underlying
                                  document in view of the administrative
                                  law angle? 
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                                  Boundy via E-trademarks<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 2, 2024
                                  12:17 PM<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> For trademark
                                  practitioners. This is not for
                                  laypersons to seek legal advice.
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                                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks]
                                  paralegals that think they are smarter
                                  than lawyers</p>
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                                    What would happen if you just refile
                                    with no cover explanation?  the next
                                    person to pick it up may take the
                                    TMEP at face value.</p>
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                                    I disagree with Katherine Market's
                                    reading of TMEP on administrative
                                    law grounds.   I agree with her to
                                    the extent that use fo the magic
                                    word "goodwill" is better safe than
                                    sorry.  But I agree with Carl that
                                    it's the practitioner's job to make
                                    the legal conclusion.  In my view a
                                    reading of TMEP 503.01 through the
                                    lens of the administrative law tells
                                    the PTO's paralegals not to make the
                                    legal determination for themselves
                                    or to second guess a practitioner.</p>
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                                    On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 11:40 AM Carl
                                    Oppedahl via E-trademarks <<a
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                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">I am baffled at a recent
                                      interaction with the USPTO's
                                      Assignment Division.  <br>
                                      <br>
                                      I have seen the Assignment
                                      Division cheerfully and seemingly
                                      unquestioningly record all manner
                                      of documents, some of which had
                                      less actual substantive legal
                                      content than an image scan of a
                                      used facial tissue.  Such
                                      unquestioning recordation of
                                      documents is completely consistent
                                      with what the USPTO says at <a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.uspto.gov_learning-2Dand-2Dresources_transferring-2Downership-2Dassignments-2Dfaqs-23type-2Dbrowse-2Dfaqs-5F160521&d=DwMDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=BD_ODyCnGyM4QYkJS4ogIYzIigAHSpBLLoEgzCd9OOE&m=3UDrs-Y0MgSEDLn2eoQnSytbGX-sth09chvJLsh9Bvyp7vjOFa9kyT5rsob292mX&s=VmCTEITsq1TQAXplyvXaj8FKSB3QQNaXuyj-17kH6YM&e="
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                                      <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">The office simply puts the
                                        information on the public record
                                        and does not verify the validity
                                        of the information. Recordation
                                        is a ministerial function. The
                                        office neither makes a
                                        determination of the legality of
                                        the transaction nor the right of
                                        the submitting party to take the
                                        action. </p>
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                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Recently I e-filed a trademark
                                      assignment document through ETAS. 
                                      What came back was a Notice of
                                      Non-Recordation.  The excuse given
                                      for bouncing the assignment
                                      document is a form paragraph:</p>
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                                      <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">The assignment document
                                        submitted for recording is not
                                        acceptable.  The statement for
                                        the Goodwill of the business was
                                        omitted.  15 USC § 1060(a)</p>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">A click on LinkedIn indicates
                                      that the sole educational
                                      credential of the signer of the
                                      Notice is a two-year stint at
                                      Prince George's Community College.</p>
                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">I will mention that the signer
                                      of the Notice is technically
                                      correct that the magic word
                                      "goodwill" is not recited in the
                                      assignment document.  Suffice it
                                      to say that the words recited in
                                      the document do absolutely and
                                      without doubt convey the goodwill
                                      despite the magic word not having
                                      been recited.  (The document was
                                      drafted by someone who's not me,
                                      and it was executed prior to my
                                      firm having been asked to handle
                                      this recordation.) 
                                    </p>
                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">I phoned up the Assignment
                                      Division reaching a different
                                      person than the signer of the
                                      Notice.  She confidently affirmed
                                      the propriety of the bounce,
                                      lecturing me that the word
                                      "goodwill" simply must appear in
                                      the document or it will not
                                      legally achieve the intended
                                      change of ownership.  Doubling
                                      down, she then offered to email to
                                      me an exemplary assignment
                                      document that she said would be
                                      legally effective.</p>
                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Yes, we have unauthorized
                                      practice of law going on here at
                                      the USPTO.</p>
                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">I am torn between two possible
                                      ways of dealing with this bounce
                                      from the Assignment Division.</p>
                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">One choice would be to e-file a
                                      "resubmission" with a statement
                                      directed to the fact that the
                                      words recited do in fact convey
                                      the goodwill even if the magic
                                      word "goodwill" is not recited. 
                                      My guess, based upon what the
                                      telephone representative said, is
                                      that this would lead to a Reel and
                                      Frame Number.  But of course this
                                      would put a "kick me" sign on the
                                      trademark rights.  This would
                                      preserve in perpetuity the legal
                                      opinion by the USPTO about what
                                      was supposedly not conveyed, and
                                      any adversary in litigation would
                                      seize upon this in an argument
                                      that the trademark went abandoned
                                      upon the execution of the
                                      document.  Never mind that the
                                      USPTO's legal opinion came from
                                      someone with no more than a
                                      two-year credential from a
                                      community college.</p>
                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Another choice would be to
                                      spend hours trying to craft some
                                      sort of cleanup document for
                                      signature by the same people who
                                      signed the existing assignment
                                      document.  The cleanup document
                                      might include "confirmatory"
                                      language confirming that of course
                                      the string of words that conveyed
                                      the goodwill really did convey the
                                      goodwill.  It might include
                                      <i>nunc pro tunc</i> language.  It
                                      might include quitclaim language. 
                                      But of course this would likewise
                                      put a "kick me" sign on the
                                      trademark rights.  This would
                                      preserve in perpetuity a messy
                                      cleanup document.</p>
                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Either path requires me to
                                      spend professional time dealing
                                      with the bounce, time that I
                                      probably cannot bill to the
                                      client.</p>
                                    <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">None of this fuss and bother
                                      would have been needed if the
                                      person signing the bounce notice
                                      had followed the USPTO's promise
                                      not to " verify the validity" of
                                      the document and the USPTO's
                                      promise not to "make a
                                      determination of the legality of
                                      the transaction".</p>
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