<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I'm not aware of any rule necessarily requiring design elements and word elements to appear separately, or together on specimens.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">In an application to register just a design element, it seems to me the key for the specimens would be whether (you have good arguments supporting the position that) the design element makes a separate and distinct commercial impression apart from any word elements.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">As in other areas, there's a chance your opinion of whether the word elements and the design elements create separate commercial impressions might differ from that of the Trademark Examining Attorney. For instance, is this one mark, or two (or more)? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><img src="cid:ii_lrhqakvp0" alt="USPTO-TSDR-Case-Viewer (70).png" width="344" height="313" style="margin-right: 0px;"><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"> </div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Sincerely,</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ed Timberlake </font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><i><a href="https://www.nclawspecialists.gov/for-the-public/find-a-board-certified-specialist/results/detail/?id=29473" target="_blank">Board Certified Specialist in Trademark Law</a></i></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="http://timberlakelaw.com/" target="_blank"><b>Timberlake Law</b></a></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Chapel Hill, NC<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="https://clarity.fm/edtimberlake" target="_blank">Schedule a call on Clarity</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="mailto:ed@timberlakelaw.com" target="_blank">ed@timberlakelaw.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">919.960.1950<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4yqPkLcW3Y31kc85P6RS7NWfcWrwuOgQLDSt1RcISuArSpo9OMPIPpEM0gaFcPeg00KJcaNlw0"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 6:12 AM Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1106729971908269397"><u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I understand that a proper specimen of use
for a composite mark (words + design element) can likewise
support a separate, standard character word mark application for
just the “word” portion of the composite mark (let’s assume for
goods).
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<p class="MsoNormal">But can the same composite specimen support a
separate application for just the design element (without the
words)? Or does the specimen have to show the design element on
the packaging for the goods by itself without the words? </p>
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