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<p class="MsoNormal">Putting aside potential issues involving commercial impression (THE RAPIST vs. THERAPIST), which you say are inapplicable to your situation, I believe your examining attorney is correct that your applied-for mark is not a substantially
exact representation of the mark on the specimen. However, you could likely amend your mark to add the space.
<i>See In re Innovative Cos., LLC</i>, 88 U.S.P.Q.2d 1095 (T.T.A.B. 2008) (finding applied-for mark
<span style="color:black;background:white">FREEDOMSTONE not a substantially exact representation of mark FREEDOM STONE on specimen, but permitting applicant’s amendment of the mark to FREEDOM STONE because not a material alteration</span>).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Spencer Cross via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 30, 2024 7:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weitzmanip <rstraussman@weitzmanip.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Spencer Cross <spencer@counselforcreators.com>; For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Determining Whether Specimen Matches Drawing Based on Line Breaks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Agreed, but safe to assume that's not the case here and the EA doesn't make any argument that the commercial impression is different. His entire analysis is "The mark on the specimen does not match the mark in the drawing because the specimen
shows the term "ALPHA" over the term "BETA," indicating a space between both terms."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 4:31 PM Weitzmanip <<a href="mailto:rstraussman@weitzmanip.com">rstraussman@weitzmanip.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jan 30, 2024, at 7:16 PM, Spencer Cross via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We recently received a "specimen does not match the drawing" refusal where we applied for the mark as a compound word mark:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But the specimen, which is a screen capture of a website, uses a logo design that shows the two words stacked:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Everywhere else on the site the mark is used as a compound word on one line (e.g., in the copyright notice in the footer). Unfortunately, it's a relatively sparse site and none of those other uses are great options for a specimen. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That refusal seems inappropriate to me. I can't imagine, for example, that a specimen depicting the vertically stacked red LEVI'S tag would be refused because it shows the mark as "L E V I ' S" or that a specimen for SUPERCELL showing
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<p class="MsoNormal">Before we talk to the client about revising their website, I'm curious if anyone knows of any authority addressing whether it's appropriate to conclude a standard character mark is two separate words based on its design expression? Unfortunately
I wasn't able to find anything in TMEP or McCarthy or my other go-to secondary sources, all of which only address mismatches in punctuation. I assume in the end it will be easier to just ask the client to update the website, but I'd rather not capitulate because
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