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<p class="MsoNormal">I too have been receiving more “specimen doesn’t match the drawing†refusals that don’t make sense. I just spoke to an examiner that insists that a specimen is being refused as follows:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">TRADEMARK – Learn More Today<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">TRADEMARK is a framework for …. (services are described here). She says LEARN MORE TODAY is part of the mark. What?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I disagreed and she told me to put my arguments in writing, so I will, (but at further expense to the client, of course).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lori<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype",serif;color:#1B355E">Lori T. Milvain, Esq.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype",serif;color:#1B355E">201 S. Orange Avenue, Suite 1400<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:27.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a href="http://www.lathamluna.com/"><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype",serif;color:#0563C1">www.lathamluna.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Spencer Cross via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 30, 2024 7:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carl Oppedahl <E-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Spencer Cross <spencer@counselforcreators.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Determining Whether Specimen Matches Drawing Based on Line Breaks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We recently received a "specimen does not match the drawing" refusal where we applied for the mark as a compound word mark:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But the specimen, which is a screen capture of a website, uses a logo design that shows the two words stacked:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Everywhere else on the site the mark is used as a compound word on one line (e.g., in the copyright notice in the footer). Unfortunately, it's a relatively sparse site and none of those other uses are great options for a specimen. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That refusal seems inappropriate to me. I can't imagine, for example, that a specimen depicting the vertically stacked red LEVI'S tag would be refused because it shows the mark as "L E V I ' S" or that a specimen for SUPERCELL showing
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their logo</a> would be refused for showing the mark as "SUP ERC ELL". <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Before we talk to the client about revising their website, I'm curious if anyone knows of any authority addressing whether it's appropriate to conclude a standard character mark is two separate words based on its design expression? Unfortunately
I wasn't able to find anything in TMEP or McCarthy or my other go-to secondary sources, all of which only address mismatches in punctuation. I assume in the end it will be easier to just ask the client to update the website, but I'd rather not capitulate because
I don't think it's an appropriate refusal.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Feel free to send responses off-list if you prefer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Spencer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>SPENCER CROSS</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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