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We are considering putting disclaimer language in our search reports that advises that while we think the mark is registrable, the USPTO is so capricious these days that we may get an off the wall refusal we would not have anticpated.</div>
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<div>Could you please share your response , of course, with redaction? I’m trying to figure out how I’m going to respond to the similar office action I have without saying really bad things to the examiner LOL<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jan 31, 2024, at 11:06 AM, Crane, Susan via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I too have been receiving more “specimen doesn’t match the drawing” refusals that don’t make sense. I just spoke to an examiner that insists that a specimen is being refused as follows:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">TRADEMARK – Learn More Today</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">TRADEMARK is a framework for …. (services are described here). She says LEARN MORE TODAY is part of the mark. What?</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I disagreed and she told me to put my arguments in writing, so I will, (but at further expense to the client, of course).</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Spencer Cross via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 30, 2024 7:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carl Oppedahl <<a href="mailto:E-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">E-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Spencer Cross <<a href="mailto:spencer@counselforcreators.com">spencer@counselforcreators.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Determining Whether Specimen Matches Drawing Based on Line Breaks</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We recently received a "specimen does not match the drawing" refusal where we applied for the mark as a compound word mark:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">But the specimen, which is a screen capture of a website, uses a logo design that shows the two words stacked:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Everywhere else on the site the mark is used as a compound word on one line (e.g., in the copyright notice in the footer). Unfortunately, it's a relatively sparse site and none of those other uses are great
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That refusal seems inappropriate to me. I can't imagine, for example, that a specimen depicting the vertically stacked red LEVI'S tag would be refused because it shows the mark as "L E V I ' S" or that a
specimen for SUPERCELL showing <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__urldefense.com_v3_-5F-5Fhttps-3A_linkprotect.cudasvc.com_url-3Fa-3Dhttps-2A3a-2A2f-2A2fsupercell.com-2A2fen-2A2ffor-2Dmedia-2A2f-26c-3DE-2C1-2CVS8krQvKC6phN-2DQy6Lkt9-5FPEiqGryz2Xfhz9U8tjv2-5FBKXsxaNRzulSLwwWkSZhzZ0Hm4GlfIK5jtqgfVTXPViIIZq1NcWf7z7-5Fcd2nWWzUWEiBFJp4RFQ-2C-2C-26typo-3D1-5F-5F-3BJSUlJSUl-21-21Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o-21mTY-5F8xtV8GRGFots8R7NB4tSppHvaiM7MmRF0aVqddqkJTmCYYzyFYcduwfsqBkev7ilZZ1vwT8FyL8Q-5F-2Df9d7-2DreK5pCvY-24&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=BD_ODyCnGyM4QYkJS4ogIYzIigAHSpBLLoEgzCd9OOE&m=WZn2v387IKGYVdwjbmuWlh61YdpSmA0-l-JFft3JKtzIrJ7E8d3htjTbCKfETv48&s=-yFLQ_wRz-VMwzVoDoaU2Omkgta16j69bcjGRbypnxo&e=">
their logo</a> would be refused for showing the mark as "SUP ERC ELL". </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Before we talk to the client about revising their website, I'm curious if anyone knows of any authority addressing whether it's appropriate to conclude a standard character mark is two separate words based
on its design expression? Unfortunately I wasn't able to find anything in TMEP or McCarthy or my other go-to secondary sources, all of which only address mismatches in punctuation. I assume in the end it will be easier to just ask the client to update the
website, but I'd rather not capitulate because I don't think it's an appropriate refusal.</span></p>
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