<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px">Yeah, I do a lot of video game copyrights, and I usually give a single blanket statement like "pre-existing software tools" to cover a bunch of different things like the game engine, recycled software tools, third-party fonts, and whatever else.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px">Cheers,</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt">Sam Castree, III</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><i style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><br></i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><i style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt">Sam Castree Law, LLC\</i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><i style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(255,102,0)">3421 W. Elm St.</i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><i style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(255,102,0)">McHenry, IL 60050</i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><i style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(255,102,0)">(815) 344-6300</i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 7:45 PM Laura Geyer via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Concur - I do these regularly. You just specify what’s covered and there’s a spot where you identify generally what isn’t covered usually you can say something as simple as pre-existing written material or similar. <div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 1, 2024, at 16:44, Stacey Friends via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Richard, I do not recall there being any such requirement. I agree with Sam, there is just a space where you disclaim previously existing or registered material.<u></u><u></u></p>
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work. There is a page in which you disclaim any prior registrations and other preexisting material that isn't being registered, so the previous registration number would be included there. But I don't think that you have to specify anything about derivative
works.<br clear="all"></span></span></p><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"></span>Cheers,</span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"> </span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt">Sam<span> Castree, III</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:medium"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><span><i>Sam Castree Law, LLC</i></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>3421 W. Elm St.</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>McHenry, IL 60050</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>(815) 344-6300</i></span></span></span></font></div></div></div></div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u><u></u></span><p></p>
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(I thought that there was a separate Copyright list, but can't seem to find any past messages in my Inbox).<br>
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I am trying to discern, for purposes of filing for copyright registration, whether the following (somewhat fictitious, but analogous) fact pattern would represent filing for registration of a "new version" or merely a derivative work (I know that a new
version IS ITSELF a derivative work).<br>
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Assume a person created and published an 8 page research paper 5 years ago and at the time person got a copyright registration for it as a published work. Now, the person creates an 80 page booklet that includes, substantially
<i>verbatim</i> scattered throughout, about 5 pages of text from their copyrighted work, albeit not necessarily always contiguous. All of the rest (for which they would now seek registration as an unpublished work) is new and original to them and the rest
would be properly identified as subject to the prior copyright. <br>
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My question is: Is the new work specifically to be identified as a "new version" or merely as a derivative work? As a practical matter, does it make a difference with respect to validity in any way if we call it a derivative work and it really is a "new
version" or vice versa?<br>
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I know that the Copyright Office can get pedantic about trivial things (cue sarcasm - unlike the USPTO), so I would like to be correct on this point, since the bulletins from the Copyright Office make a distinction, there must be SOME reason.<br>
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