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What if the apartment is owned by an owner of the CMRA and those
people become a "timeshare" sublessee entitling them to "occasional
use" of the apartment? The owner then drags the mail delivered to
the apartment for the sublessees to their CMRA where the sublessees
also each have a box and puts it in the respective sublessee's box.<br>
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Seems to me, as the saying goes, where there is a will there are
relatives.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/2024 12:31 PM, Carl Oppedahl
wrote:<br>
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<p>That dog won't hunt.</p>
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<p>To be able to become a commercial mail receiving agency, you
have to fill out a form and become accredited with the USPS as a
provider of CMRA services. At which point you have to say what
address you are using to receive the mail on behalf of others.
At which point anybody who does a lookup for the zip code for
that address will see a "Y" in the CMRA field. And then the
Trademark Office will figure out that the residential apartment
is being used as a mail drop, and you are back looking at an
Office Action refusing registration because the applicant failed
to reveal where they sleep at night.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/2024 10:21 AM, Richrd
Straussman via E-trademarks wrote:<br>
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I am stunned that no commercial mail forwarding business has
bought a residential apartment above/near their location so that
people can have a fictitious residential address people to use
for mail forwarding.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/2024 12:00 PM, Janet
Satterthwaite via E-trademarks wrote:<br>
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Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0,
0);"> I'm going to start doing that too, or just ask the
client to confirm when we provide the proposed details for
an application. </div>
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<div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0,
0);"> But isn't it tiresome that as they are taking 9-10
months to get to applications they are wasting time
searching for whether the client used a mail drop address.
Roll On federal Circuit and Strike this down!!</div>
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font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(124, 134, 154);
background-color: white;">1717 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW,
Suite 1025 </span></p>
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<div dir="ltr">I've added to my procedures that we Google
Map the address the client gives/found in the Corporate
database so that we can avoid that. The examiners are
definitely doing so.</div>
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at 11:56 AM Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <<a
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font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> I just got a
refusal for an address which turned our to be a
UPS store. (client never mentioned that.)</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Virtual mailbox
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<div style="font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">Does
the USPTO accept a commercial virtual
mailbox address (not a PO Box) as a domicile
address ("where you sleep at night")? </div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">Sorry
if this has been asked before. I thought
there was a way to search archives of all
past listserv messages, but it appears the
archive only goes back four months, is that
right?</div>
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<p><span>Kenneth E. Liu</span></p>
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</strong></span> <span class="c6">Registered Patent
Attorney</span><span class="c5"><br>
</span></strong> <span class="c6">Member NY, NJ & CT Bars</span><span
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</span> <span class="c9"><strong>Weitzman Law Offices, LLC</strong></span><span
class="c16"><span class="c5"><br>
</span> <span class="c9"><strong>Intellectual Property Law</strong></span><span
class="c9"><br>
</span> <span class="c4">425 Eagle Rock Avenue, Suite 401
(PLEASE NOTE THE SUITE CHANGE)</span><span class="c5"><br>
</span> <span class="c4">Roseland, NJ 07068</span><span
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</span> <span class="c12"><strong>direct line</strong></span>
<span class="c6">973.403.9943<br>
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