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<p>That dog won't hunt.</p>
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<p>To be able to become a commercial mail receiving agency, you have
to fill out a form and become accredited with the USPS as a
provider of CMRA services. At which point you have to say what
address you are using to receive the mail on behalf of others. At
which point anybody who does a lookup for the zip code for that
address will see a "Y" in the CMRA field. And then the Trademark
Office will figure out that the residential apartment is being
used as a mail drop, and you are back looking at an Office Action
refusing registration because the applicant failed to reveal where
they sleep at night.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/2024 10:21 AM, Richrd Straussman
via E-trademarks wrote:<br>
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I am stunned that no commercial mail forwarding business has
bought a residential apartment above/near their location so that
people can have a fictitious residential address people to use for
mail forwarding.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/2024 12:00 PM, Janet
Satterthwaite via E-trademarks wrote:<br>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I'm going to
start doing that too, or just ask the client to confirm when
we provide the proposed details for an application. </div>
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sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> But isn't it
tiresome that as they are taking 9-10 months to get to
applications they are wasting time searching for whether the
client used a mail drop address. Roll On federal Circuit and
Strike this down!!</div>
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style="font-family: Helvetica; color: rgb(153, 153, 153);">Partner/
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<div dir="ltr">I've added to my procedures that we Google
Map the address the client gives/found in the Corporate
database so that we can avoid that. The examiners are
definitely doing so.</div>
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11:56 AM Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <<a
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<div
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refusal for an address which turned our to be a
UPS store. (client never mentioned that.)</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Virtual mailbox
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<div style="font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">Does
the USPTO accept a commercial virtual mailbox
address (not a PO Box) as a domicile address
("where you sleep at night")? </div>
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<div style="font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">Sorry
if this has been asked before. I thought there
was a way to search archives of all past
listserv messages, but it appears the archive
only goes back four months, is that right?</div>
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<p><span>Kenneth E. Liu</span></p>
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class="c1"><strong>Richard Straussman</strong></span><span
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Counsel</span><span class="c5"><strong><br>
</strong></span> <span class="c6">Registered Patent
Attorney</span><span class="c5"><br>
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</span> <span class="c9"><strong>Intellectual Property Law</strong></span><span
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</span> <span class="c4">425 Eagle Rock Avenue, Suite 401
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