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<p class="MsoNormal">Sam, I would not recommend citing <i>Nett Designs</i> for the proposition that the examining attorney should act consistently with certain third-party registrations. This case is frequently cited for the opposite conclusion, namely that
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Needless to say, this court encourages the PTO to achieve a uniform standard for assessing registrability of marks. Nonetheless, the Board (and this court in its limited review) must assess each mark on the record of public perception submitted with the application.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>In re Nett Designs, Inc.</i>, 236 F.3d 1339, 1342, 57 U.S.P.Q.2d 1564, 1566 (Fed. Cir. 2001).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Castree via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sam Castree <sam@castreelaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] competing volume of evidence question<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 3:15 PM Pamela Chestek via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe the question was about relatedness of the goods and services, though, not distinctiveness of the mark. I have been mulling whether one could find a way to import the similar standard into relatedness of goods though.<br>
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Chestek Legal<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/8/2024 12:34 PM, Sam Castree via E-trademarks wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I've had this issue a handful of times, although usually the examiner only provides maybe 2 or 3 examples. I provide a dozen or two counterexamples, and I lead with this
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<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">"Applicant acknowledges that the PTO's allowance of prior third-party registrations is not
<i>per se</i> binding on registrations by later applicants. Nevertheless, third-party registrations can be relevant to show whether
<i>a mark, or a portion thereof, is descriptive or suggestive</i>. TMEP § 1207.01(d)(iii);
<i>see also, e.g., Jack Wolfskin Ausrustung Fur Draussen GmbH & Co. KGAA v. New Millennium Sports</i>, S.L.U. 797 F.3d 1363 (Fed. Cir. 2015). Moreover, the Federal Circuit “encourages the PTO to achieve a uniform standard for assessing registrability of marks.”
<i>In Re Nett Designs</i>, 236 F.3d 1339, 1342 (Fed. Cir., 2001). Thus, in the interest of maintaining uniform standard of registrability, Applicant submits that
<i>[word]</i>, when applied to <i>[goods]</i>, is at least suggestive, rather than merely descriptive."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 1:36 PM diana <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/lo-dp.com__;!!NROYQQ!fLT4Wd09-AsmCvTd7I8RK6o4CFo4PVAUC5cws-8GaFluZYUy6aWkquTQtS9CWxmpVhnPG0dJtW0MyI6G-GGqA0C7oVVNU-5p$">
lo-dp.com</a> via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Interested in whether anyone has successfully persuaded TTAB that their volume of evidence in a 2(d) outweighs the examiner's. Overall issue is that the USPTO appears
to have inconsistent practice history. Examiner has refused registration because an identical mark exists in another class, and there are a variety examples of companies providing both types of goods. On the other hand, there are a substantial number of counter-examples
of coexistence, i.e., Company 1 sells goods in one of the classes, Company 2 sells goods in the other class, mark is identical, and they coexist, without 2(d) ever being issued. Examiner has issued 2(d) and is sticking by it, indicating that not bound by
what other examiner do. The evidence in terms of USPTO records is conflicting, and the USPTO practice is inconsistent, with many records on both sides. Does something like this get resolved on each examiner's whim, or is there something more predictable and
orderly? Thank you!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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