<div dir="ltr"><div>At the very least, the PTO should make decisions citable by some reasonably-compact URL. Before about 2007, you could cite by URL (look at some of the older articles at <a href="http://allthingspros.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://allthingspros.blogspot.com/</a> ) You could even search PTAB/TTAB decisions by Google! Imagine that!</div><div><br></div><div>But in 2007 or so, some genius decided that people were putting too much load on the PTO's servers searching these decisions (the load is on Google's servers, not yours, you morons) and put PTAB/TTAB decisions behind a search wall, with no URL.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 11:00 AM Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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ago there was a push at some courts to refer (at least to their own decisions) by publication date and paragraph number rather than a West Reporter.
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<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] John's Post re the TTAB Jettisoning the USPQ<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My understanding is that the only online source of USPQ cites is Bloomberg. Bloomberg owns the Bureau of National Affairs who is the sole publisher of the USPQ. Cites to the USPQ are required by USPTO rules, so USPTO practice requires either
purchase of Bloomberg or USPQ hard copies. Of course, both requirements are absurd because nobody has Bloomberg, everything is (or should be available) online, and these requirements don't stop anybody from practicing before the USPTO.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps even more absurd is the solution suggested by the case that John blogged today. In place of the current requirement of subscribing to Bloomberg would be the requirement of subscribing to Westlaw. Not a solution.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Subject: </b>[E-trademarks] John's Post re the TTAB Jettisoning the USPQ</span><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t know how many of you caught up with John’s TTABlog today about the potential requirement that henceforth all citations to the TTAB will need to be to WESTLAW. To me, this
sounds like a solution in search of a problem.<span lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How many people are they going to hire to change all USPQ cites in the TBMP to Westlaw cites? And what about we old timers who have extensive libraries of USPQ citations? I know,
the USPQ has only been published since 1929 but it is still the standard. And what about Federal Courts who prefer the USPQ cites? From my standpoint, I’d have to write a brief using USPQ cites and then have the client pay an associate to translate that
into WESTLAW cites. Why impose that cost on us?<span lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have an open mind but would really like to know why the Board thinks that changing the citation format it has used for its entire existence is beneficial. If I were still a solo,
and one who did not subscribe to Westlaw, I would have to do so in order to practice before the TTAB. I know that the universe of we folks who actually did legal research using dusty books in dwindling, but still ……<span lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I could understand saying that “for cases decided from now on you must cite to Westlaw” but to redo history makes no sense for me.
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<h3><span style="font-size:11pt">That said, I am equally bewildered by the MENSTRUATION CRUSTACEON decision.
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