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But it's not feasible to do research in the Reading Room. So it
would mean using a different service for research and then going to
look it up in the Reading Room. But I would think that Westlaw,
Lexis or the Reading Room should all be valid citations. But that
also puts the TTAB in the position of themselves having to go back
and forth between services.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Am I missing something, but since the TTAB has its
own opinions online, and provides the TTAB Reading Room with its
decisions, why can't it accept references directly to its
opinions without either USPQ or Westlaw cites? The decisions are
in PDFs, so references to specific pages should be consistent.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at
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<div dir="ltr">My understanding is that the only online source
of USPQ cites is Bloomberg. Bloomberg owns the Bureau of
National Affairs who is the sole publisher of the USPQ.
Cites to the USPQ are required by USPTO rules, so USPTO
practice requires either purchase of Bloomberg or USPQ hard
copies. Of course, both requirements are absurd because
nobody has Bloomberg, everything is (or should be available)
online, and these requirements don't stop anybody from
practicing before the USPTO.
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<div>Perhaps even more absurd is the solution suggested by
the case that John blogged today. In place of the current
requirement of subscribing to Bloomberg would be the
requirement of subscribing to Westlaw. Not a solution.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, 12 February 2024 at
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<b>Subject: </b>[E-trademarks] John's
Post re the TTAB Jettisoning the USPQ</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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All,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">I
don’t know how many of you caught up with
John’s TTABlog today about the potential
requirement that henceforth all citations
to the TTAB will need to be to WESTLAW.
To me, this sounds like a solution in
search of a problem.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">How
many people are they going to hire to
change all USPQ cites in the TBMP to
Westlaw cites? And what about we old
timers who have extensive libraries of
USPQ citations? I know, the USPQ has only
been published since 1929 but it is still
the standard. And what about Federal
Courts who prefer the USPQ cites? From my
standpoint, I’d have to write a brief
using USPQ cites and then have the client
pay an associate to translate that into
WESTLAW cites. Why impose that cost on
us?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">I have
an open mind but would really like to know
why the Board thinks that changing the
citation format it has used for its entire
existence is beneficial. If I were still
a solo, and one who did not subscribe to
Westlaw, I would have to do so in order to
practice before the TTAB. I know that the
universe of we folks who actually did
legal research using dusty books in
dwindling, but still ……</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">I
could understand saying that “for cases
decided from now on you must cite to
Westlaw” but to redo history makes no
sense for me.
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<h3><span
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lang="EN-US">That said, I am equally
bewildered by the MENSTRUATION CRUSTACEON
decision.
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