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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Does Fastcase have USPQ citations? My recollection is that it doesn’t but I haven’t used it in a while.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dana Dickson via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2024 4:38 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Dana Dickson <ddlschedules@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] John's Post re the TTAB Jettisoning the USPQ<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A lot of solos and small firms use Fastcase, accessible through their bar associations at no additional cost.
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<p class="MsoNormal">To require cites to Westlaw would mean thousands of dollars annually in added expense for these practitioners - an unnecessary and heavy burden on them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dana Dickson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 11:31 AM David Boundy via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At the very least, the PTO should make decisions citable by some reasonably-compact URL. Before about 2007, you could cite by URL (look at some of the older articles at
<a href="http://allthingspros.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://allthingspros.blogspot.com/</a> ) You could even search PTAB/TTAB decisions by Google! Imagine that!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But in 2007 or so, some genius decided that people were putting too much load on the PTO's servers searching these decisions (the load is on Google's servers, not yours, you morons) and put PTAB/TTAB decisions behind a search wall, with
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 11:00 AM Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Yeah, I can’t for the life of me understand why the PTO can’t go with some kind of vendor-neutral citation system,
especially for TTAB and PTAB decisions? As I recall, years ago there was a push at some courts to refer (at least to their own decisions) by publication date and paragraph number rather than a West Reporter.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Oppedahl TM via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 12, 2024 9:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Oppedahl TM <<a href="mailto:oppedahltm@gmail.com" target="_blank">oppedahltm@gmail.com</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] John's Post re the TTAB Jettisoning the USPQ<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My understanding is that the only online source of USPQ cites is Bloomberg. Bloomberg owns the Bureau of National Affairs who is the sole publisher of the USPQ. Cites to the USPQ
are required by USPTO rules, so USPTO practice requires either purchase of Bloomberg or USPQ hard copies. Of course, both requirements are absurd because nobody has Bloomberg, everything is (or should be available) online, and these requirements don't stop
anybody from practicing before the USPTO. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Perhaps even more absurd is the solution suggested by the case that John blogged today. In place of the current requirement of subscribing to Bloomberg would be the requirement
of subscribing to Westlaw. Not a solution.<o:p></o:p></p>
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on behalf of reidl--- via E-trademarks <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 12 February 2024 at 5:48</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">pm<br>
<b>To: </b>'For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.' <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>[E-trademarks] John's Post re the TTAB Jettisoning the USPQ</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I don’t know how many of you caught up with John’s TTABlog today about the potential requirement that henceforth all citations to the TTAB will need to be to WESTLAW. To me, this
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">How many people are they going to hire to change all USPQ cites in the TBMP to Westlaw cites? And what about we old timers who have extensive libraries of USPQ citations? I know,
the USPQ has only been published since 1929 but it is still the standard. And what about Federal Courts who prefer the USPQ cites? From my standpoint, I’d have to write a brief using USPQ cites and then have the client pay an associate to translate that
into WESTLAW cites. Why impose that cost on us?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have an open mind but would really like to know why the Board thinks that changing the citation format it has used for its entire existence is beneficial. If I were still a solo,
and one who did not subscribe to Westlaw, I would have to do so in order to practice before the TTAB. I know that the universe of we folks who actually did legal research using dusty books in dwindling, but still ……<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I could understand saying that “for cases decided from now on you must cite to Westlaw” but to redo history makes no sense for me.
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<h3><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That said, I am equally bewildered by the MENSTRUATION CRUSTACEON decision.
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