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If anyone has contacts, particularly for the amici committees, at
AIPLA, INTA, ABA, IPO, or state level IP organizations, feel free to
reach out to them to see if you can get a read on their potential
interest.<br>
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Pam<br>
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Chestek Legal<br>
300 Fayetteville St.<br>
Unit 2402<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/16/2024 10:07 AM, david--- via
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<blockquote type="cite">On Feb 16, 2024, at 9:36 AM, David
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<div dir="ltr">I pledge $3000 and an amicus brief. I will
contact Brad Forrest who may be able to route this through
AIPLA (it'd be more effective to have this coming from
AIPLA than from just plain old me or from PTAAARMIGAN).
If AIPLA doesn't bite, I'll file another as plain old me.<br>
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<div> Heather is right. I spent six figures on the
appeal and I received two donations (thank you so much
to those who donated).<br>
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I can't afford to take this any further; I have a
small practice. I don't have a good estimate yet for
the cost for a petition for rehearing, but ballpark is
$30K.<br>
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But it's more than that. Reviews are rarely granted
and to increase the likelihood of success we need
amici. I think that the IP organizations (INTA, AIPLA,
IPO, ABA) should be alarmed by the unchecked
rulemaking power of the USPTO, which doesn't apply
just to trademarks, but patents too. Other
organizations should be alarmed by the fact that the
PTO has zero concern for vulnerable populations,
privacy in general, or computer security. Through
eliding by the PTO, the board also misunderstood that
other countries do NOT require address information and
seemed to weigh that incorrect fact fairly heavily, so
we need someone to correct that misunderstanding. I
understand that the amici lift is fairly light though,
limited to 2600 words.<br>
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I can't afford, in money, time or contacts, to do it
by myself anymore. I also have to decide fairly soon
whether to petition for rehearing so my lawyer will
have time to brief it.<br>
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Pam<br>
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<div>Pamela S. Chestek<br>
Chestek Legal<br>
300 Fayetteville St.<br>
Unit 2402<br>
Raleigh, NC 27602<br>
+1 919-800-8033<br>
<a href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>On 2/16/2024 7:28 AM, Heather Vargas via
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recollection is that when Pam decided to do
this, a bunch of us piped up and said we would
contribute, but it sounds like we did not
follow through. I would submit that rather
than general statements of support, we either
“pledge” a specific amount that Pam or her
proxy can come ask us to fulfill, or we set up
a fund and Pam can decide when day zero to
file the motion hits, if we put our money
where our mouths are. I am sorry that I
cannot personally coordinate this; I am almost
a year into covering my practice plus my
partner’s who has been on medical leave for
the better part of a year, but I will pledge
or contribute if one of these things happens.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <a
href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via
E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2024
11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners.
This is not for laypersons to seek legal
advice. <a
href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <a
href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><carl@oppedahl.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] CAFC
handed down its opinion in In re Chestek
today.</span></p>
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<p>The appeal effort up until now had cost the
applicant/appellant really a lot of money, many
tens of thousands of dollars. I am aware of at
least one member of the listserv who contributed
a bit of money toward that cost.<span></span></p>
<p>Yes, an <i>en banc </i>request might be worth
pursuing. This would cost some tens of
thousands of dollars in addition to the costs
already incurred.</p>
<p>I wonder whether the trademark community would
be willing to pony up the cost of the <i>en
banc </i>request? Possible approaches could
include setting up a gofundme (which would incur
fees to the provider of the gofundme service) or
perhaps a listserv member serving as the
collection point for contributions. I imagine
there any of a number of listserv members who
could be trusted to provide that service and
would not ask for any fee for that service.</p>
<p>Carl</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/15/2024 8:57 AM, John
L. Welch via E-trademarks wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Maybe
a request for <i>en banc</i>
reconsideration would be worth pursuing?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">JLW</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Erikson, Daan <a
href="mailto:Daan.Erikson@huschblackwell.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Daan.Erikson@huschblackwell.com></a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2024
9:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners.
This is not for laypersons to seek legal
advice. <a
href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Welch, John L. <a
href="mailto:John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: CAFC handed down its
opinion in In re Chestek today.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I have read this
decision and am curious what others think of
the reasoning. I find the last part of the
decision (page 13) particularly perplexing.
Isn’t it circular to say that an agency
doesn’t have to prepare for every
eventuality, especially when there is
nothing in the record about privacy
concerns, when there wasn’t a reason for
people to be concerned about privacy during
the notice and comment period? And anyway
how is this change not a substantive rule
that affects individual rights and
obligations when it affects individuals’
privacy rights?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a
href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John L. Welch via
E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2024
11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners.
This is not for laypersons to seek legal
advice. <<a
href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> John L. Welch <<a
href="mailto:John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] CAFC
handed down its opinion in In re Chestek
today.</span></p>
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