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Heather is right. I spent six figures on the appeal and I received
two donations (thank you so much to those who donated).<br>
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I can't afford to take this any further; I have a small practice. I
don't have a good estimate yet for the cost for a petition for
rehearing, but ballpark is $30K.<br>
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But it's more than that. Reviews are rarely granted and to increase
the likelihood of success we need amici. I think that the IP
organizations (INTA, AIPLA, IPO, ABA) should be alarmed by the
unchecked rulemaking power of the USPTO, which doesn't apply just to
trademarks, but patents too. Other organizations should be alarmed
by the fact that the PTO has zero concern for vulnerable
populations, privacy in general, or computer security. Through
eliding by the PTO, the board also misunderstood that other
countries do NOT require address information and seemed to weigh
that incorrect fact fairly heavily, so we need someone to correct
that misunderstanding. I understand that the amici lift is fairly
light though, limited to 2600 words.<br>
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I can't afford, in money, time or contacts, to do it by myself
anymore. I also have to decide fairly soon whether to petition for
rehearing so my lawyer will have time to brief it.<br>
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Pam<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
Chestek Legal<br>
300 Fayetteville St.<br>
Unit 2402<br>
Raleigh, NC 27602<br>
+1 919-800-8033<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/16/2024 7:28 AM, Heather Vargas
via E-trademarks wrote:<br>
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recollection is that when Pam decided to do this, a bunch of
us piped up and said we would contribute, but it sounds like
we did not follow through. I would submit that rather than
general statements of support, we either “pledge” a specific
amount that Pam or her proxy can come ask us to fulfill, or
we set up a fund and Pam can decide when day zero to file
the motion hits, if we put our money where our mouths are.
I am sorry that I cannot personally coordinate this; I am
almost a year into covering my practice plus my partner’s
who has been on medical leave for the better part of a year,
but I will pledge or contribute if one of these things
happens.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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class="" valign="top">Heather Vargas (She/Her/Hers)<br>
Florida Bar No. 230900<br>
Board Certified in Intellectual Property Law<br>
Cobb Cole<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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E-trademarks
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com"><carl@oppedahl.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its
opinion in In re Chestek today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>The appeal effort up until now had cost the
applicant/appellant really a lot of money, many tens of
thousands of dollars. I am aware of at least one member of
the listserv who contributed a bit of money toward that cost.<span
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<p>Yes, an <i>en banc </i>request might be worth pursuing.
This would cost some tens of thousands of dollars in addition
to the costs already incurred.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I wonder whether the trademark community would be willing to
pony up the cost of the
<i>en banc </i>request? Possible approaches could include
setting up a gofundme (which would incur fees to the provider
of the gofundme service) or perhaps a listserv member serving
as the collection point for contributions. I imagine there
any of a number of listserv members who could be trusted to
provide that service and would not ask for any fee for that
service.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Carl<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/15/2024 8:57 AM, John L. Welch via
E-trademarks wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Maybe
a request for
<i>en banc</i> reconsideration would be worth pursuing?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">JLW</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none">
Erikson, Daan
<a href="mailto:Daan.Erikson@huschblackwell.com"
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not
for laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Welch, John L. <a
href="mailto:John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: CAFC handed down its opinion in In
re Chestek today.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I have
read this decision and am curious what others think of the
reasoning. I find the last part of the decision (page 13)
particularly perplexing. Isn’t it circular to say that an
agency doesn’t have to prepare for every eventuality,
especially when there is nothing in the record about
privacy concerns, when there wasn’t a reason for people to
be concerned about privacy during the notice and comment
period? And anyway how is this change not a substantive
rule that affects individual rights and obligations when
it affects individuals’ privacy rights?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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E-trademarks <<a
href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John L. Welch via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not
for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a
href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> John L. Welch <<a
href="mailto:John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its
opinion in In re Chestek today.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The
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