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Another thought is that state bar trademark or IP sections or committees may be tapped for filing amici. We have an active section here in Texas.</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.</font>
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<div dir="ltr">I pledge $3000 and an amicus brief. I will contact Brad Forrest who may be able to route this through AIPLA (it'd be more effective to have this coming from AIPLA than from just plain old me or from PTAAARMIGAN). If AIPLA doesn't bite, I'll
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<div>Heather is right. I spent six figures on the appeal and I received two donations (thank you so much to those who donated).<br>
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I can't afford to take this any further; I have a small practice. I don't have a good estimate yet for the cost for a petition for rehearing, but ballpark is $30K.<br>
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But it's more than that. Reviews are rarely granted and to increase the likelihood of success we need amici. I think that the IP organizations (INTA, AIPLA, IPO, ABA) should be alarmed by the unchecked rulemaking power of the USPTO, which doesn't apply just
to trademarks, but patents too. Other organizations should be alarmed by the fact that the PTO has zero concern for vulnerable populations, privacy in general, or computer security. Through eliding by the PTO, the board also misunderstood that other countries
do NOT require address information and seemed to weigh that incorrect fact fairly heavily, so we need someone to correct that misunderstanding. I understand that the amici lift is fairly light though, limited to 2600 words.<br>
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I can't afford, in money, time or contacts, to do it by myself anymore. I also have to decide fairly soon whether to petition for rehearing so my lawyer will have time to brief it.<br>
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<div>On 2/16/2024 7:28 AM, Heather Vargas via E-trademarks wrote:<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">My recollection is that when Pam decided to do this, a bunch of us piped up and said we would contribute, but it sounds like we did not follow through. I would submit that
rather than general statements of support, we either “pledge” a specific amount that Pam or her proxy can come ask us to fulfill, or we set up a fund and Pam can decide when day zero to file the motion hits, if we put our money where our mouths are. I am
sorry that I cannot personally coordinate this; I am almost a year into covering my practice plus my partner’s who has been on medical leave for the better part of a year, but I will pledge or contribute if one of these things happens.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com" target="_blank"><carl@oppedahl.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>The appeal effort up until now had cost the applicant/appellant really a lot of money, many tens of thousands of dollars. I am aware of at least one member of the listserv who contributed a bit of money toward that cost.<span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p>Yes, an <i>en banc </i>request might be worth pursuing. This would cost some tens of thousands of dollars in addition to the costs already incurred.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>I wonder whether the trademark community would be willing to pony up the cost of the
<i>en banc </i>request? Possible approaches could include setting up a gofundme (which would incur fees to the provider of the gofundme service) or perhaps a listserv member serving as the collection point for contributions. I imagine there any of a number
of listserv members who could be trusted to provide that service and would not ask for any fee for that service.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I have read this decision and am curious what others think of the reasoning. I find the last part of the decision (page 13) particularly perplexing. Isn’t it circular to say that an agency
doesn’t have to prepare for every eventuality, especially when there is nothing in the record about privacy concerns, when there wasn’t a reason for people to be concerned about privacy during the notice and comment period? And anyway how is this change not
a substantive rule that affects individual rights and obligations when it affects individuals’ privacy rights?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> John L. Welch <<a href="mailto:John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com" target="_blank">John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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