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My thought on this is an international trademark law authority or
scholar who could say that other countries do not require a street
address. We might be able to crowd source that through Carl's list
(personally, having never once been required to provide more
detailed address information in 20 years of practice in many
countries), but I think someone who might look at some countries'
laws and say it isn't required would be helpful.<br>
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Pam<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
Chestek Legal<br>
300 Fayetteville St.<br>
Unit 2402<br>
Raleigh, NC 27602<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/16/2024 10:17 AM, david--- via
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I can ask professors. May not be a specific group but I’d bet a
lot of individuals.
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<blockquote type="cite">On Feb 16, 2024, at 10:11 AM, Chelsie
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its
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<div dir="auto">If I can help let me know. I probably know
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<blockquote type="cite">On Feb 16, 2024, at 9:36 AM,
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<div dir="ltr">I pledge $3000 and an amicus brief.
I will contact Brad Forrest who may be able to
route this through AIPLA (it'd be more effective
to have this coming from AIPLA than from just
plain old me or from PTAAARMIGAN). If AIPLA
doesn't bite, I'll file another as plain old me.<br>
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<div>Heather is right. I spent six figures on
the appeal and I received two donations (thank
you so much to those who donated).<br>
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I can't afford to take this any further; I
have a small practice. I don't have a good
estimate yet for the cost for a petition for
rehearing, but ballpark is $30K.<br>
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But it's more than that. Reviews are rarely
granted and to increase the likelihood of
success we need amici. I think that the IP
organizations (INTA, AIPLA, IPO, ABA) should
be alarmed by the unchecked rulemaking power
of the USPTO, which doesn't apply just to
trademarks, but patents too. Other
organizations should be alarmed by the fact
that the PTO has zero concern for vulnerable
populations, privacy in general, or computer
security. Through eliding by the PTO, the
board also misunderstood that other countries
do NOT require address information and seemed
to weigh that incorrect fact fairly heavily,
so we need someone to correct that
misunderstanding. I understand that the amici
lift is fairly light though, limited to 2600
words.<br>
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I can't afford, in money, time or contacts, to
do it by myself anymore. I also have to decide
fairly soon whether to petition for rehearing
so my lawyer will have time to brief it.<br>
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Pam<br>
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<div>Pamela S. Chestek<br>
Chestek Legal<br>
300 Fayetteville St.<br>
Unit 2402<br>
Raleigh, NC 27602<br>
+1 919-800-8033<br>
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<div>On 2/16/2024 7:28 AM, Heather Vargas via
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recollection is that when Pam decided
to do this, a bunch of us piped up and
said we would contribute, but it
sounds like we did not follow
through. I would submit that rather
than general statements of support, we
either “pledge” a specific amount that
Pam or her proxy can come ask us to
fulfill, or we set up a fund and Pam
can decide when day zero to file the
motion hits, if we put our money where
our mouths are. I am sorry that I
cannot personally coordinate this; I
am almost a year into covering my
practice plus my partner’s who has
been on medical leave for the better
part of a year, but I will pledge or
contribute if one of these things
happens.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl
via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February
15, 2024 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark
practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a
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<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks]
CAFC handed down its opinion in In
re Chestek today.</span></p>
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<p>The appeal effort up until now had cost
the applicant/appellant really a lot of
money, many tens of thousands of
dollars. I am aware of at least one
member of the listserv who contributed a
bit of money toward that cost.<span></span></p>
<p>Yes, an <i>en banc </i>request might
be worth pursuing. This would cost some
tens of thousands of dollars in addition
to the costs already incurred.</p>
<p>I wonder whether the trademark
community would be willing to pony up
the cost of the
<i>en banc </i>request? Possible
approaches could include setting up a
gofundme (which would incur fees to the
provider of the gofundme service) or
perhaps a listserv member serving as the
collection point for contributions. I
imagine there any of a number of
listserv members who could be trusted to
provide that service and would not ask
for any fee for that service.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">On 2/15/2024 8:57
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a request for
<i>en banc</i> reconsideration would
be worth pursuing?</span></p>
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<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February
15, 2024 9:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark
practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: CAFC handed
down its opinion in In re
Chestek today.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I have read this
decision and am curious what others
think of the reasoning. I find the
last part of the decision (page 13)
particularly perplexing. Isn’t it
circular to say that an agency
doesn’t have to prepare for every
eventuality, especially when there
is nothing in the record about
privacy concerns, when there wasn’t
a reason for people to be concerned
about privacy during the notice and
comment period? And anyway how is
this change not a substantive rule
that affects individual rights and
obligations when it affects
individuals’ privacy rights?</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John L.
Welch via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February
13, 2024 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark
practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks]
CAFC handed down its opinion in
In re Chestek today.</span></p>
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