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<p>Thank you David for the money pledge. Can you please enter the
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<div dir="ltr">I pledge $3000 and an amicus brief. I will contact
Brad Forrest who may be able to route this through AIPLA (it'd
be more effective to have this coming from AIPLA than from just
plain old me or from PTAAARMIGAN). If AIPLA doesn't bite, I'll
file another as plain old me.<br>
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<div> Heather is right. I spent six figures on the appeal and
I received two donations (thank you so much to those who
donated).<br>
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I can't afford to take this any further; I have a small
practice. I don't have a good estimate yet for the cost for
a petition for rehearing, but ballpark is $30K.<br>
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But it's more than that. Reviews are rarely granted and to
increase the likelihood of success we need amici. I think
that the IP organizations (INTA, AIPLA, IPO, ABA) should be
alarmed by the unchecked rulemaking power of the USPTO,
which doesn't apply just to trademarks, but patents too.
Other organizations should be alarmed by the fact that the
PTO has zero concern for vulnerable populations, privacy in
general, or computer security. Through eliding by the PTO,
the board also misunderstood that other countries do NOT
require address information and seemed to weigh that
incorrect fact fairly heavily, so we need someone to correct
that misunderstanding. I understand that the amici lift is
fairly light though, limited to 2600 words.<br>
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I can't afford, in money, time or contacts, to do it by
myself anymore. I also have to decide fairly soon whether to
petition for rehearing so my lawyer will have time to brief
it.<br>
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Pam<br>
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<div>Pamela S. Chestek<br>
Chestek Legal<br>
300 Fayetteville St.<br>
Unit 2402<br>
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+1 919-800-8033<br>
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<div>On 2/16/2024 7:28 AM, Heather Vargas via E-trademarks
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recollection is that when Pam decided to do this, a
bunch of us piped up and said we would contribute,
but it sounds like we did not follow through. I
would submit that rather than general statements of
support, we either “pledge” a specific amount that
Pam or her proxy can come ask us to fulfill, or we
set up a fund and Pam can decide when day zero to
file the motion hits, if we put our money where our
mouths are. I am sorry that I cannot personally
coordinate this; I am almost a year into covering my
practice plus my partner’s who has been on medical
leave for the better part of a year, but I will
pledge or contribute if one of these things happens.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <a
href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via
E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:27
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is
not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <a
href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <a
href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><carl@oppedahl.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] CAFC handed
down its opinion in In re Chestek today.</span></p>
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<p>The appeal effort up until now had cost the
applicant/appellant really a lot of money, many tens
of thousands of dollars. I am aware of at least one
member of the listserv who contributed a bit of money
toward that cost.<span></span></p>
<p>Yes, an <i>en banc </i>request might be worth
pursuing. This would cost some tens of thousands of
dollars in addition to the costs already incurred.</p>
<p>I wonder whether the trademark community would be
willing to pony up the cost of the <i>en banc </i>request?
Possible approaches could include setting up a
gofundme (which would incur fees to the provider of
the gofundme service) or perhaps a listserv member
serving as the collection point for contributions. I
imagine there any of a number of listserv members who
could be trusted to provide that service and would not
ask for any fee for that service.</p>
<p>Carl</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/15/2024 8:57 AM, John L.
Welch via E-trademarks wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Maybe
a request for <i>en banc</i> reconsideration
would be worth pursuing?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Erikson, Daan <a
href="mailto:Daan.Erikson@huschblackwell.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Daan.Erikson@huschblackwell.com></a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:25
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This
is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <a
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<b>Cc:</b> Welch, John L. <a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: CAFC handed down its
opinion in In re Chestek today.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
have read this decision and am curious what others
think of the reasoning. I find the last part of
the decision (page 13) particularly perplexing.
Isn’t it circular to say that an agency doesn’t
have to prepare for every eventuality, especially
when there is nothing in the record about privacy
concerns, when there wasn’t a reason for people to
be concerned about privacy during the notice and
comment period? And anyway how is this change not
a substantive rule that affects individual rights
and obligations when it affects individuals’
privacy rights?</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John L. Welch via
E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:34
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This
is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
<<a
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<b>Cc:</b> John L. Welch <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] CAFC handed
down its opinion in In re Chestek today.</span></p>
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