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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pamela Chestek via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 16, 2024 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pamela Chestek <pamela@chesteklegal.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">My thought on this is an international trademark law authority or scholar who could say that other countries do not require a street address. We might be able to crowd source that through Carl's list (personally,
having never once been required to provide more detailed address information in 20 years of practice in many countries), but I think someone who might look at some countries' laws and say it isn't required would be helpful.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/16/2024 10:17 AM, david--- via E-trademarks wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 16, 2024 9:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I pledge $3000 and an amicus brief. I will contact Brad Forrest who may be able to route this through AIPLA (it'd be more effective to have this coming from AIPLA than from just plain old me or from PTAAARMIGAN). If AIPLA doesn't bite,
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 9:31 AM Pamela Chestek via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Heather is right. I spent six figures on the appeal and I received two donations (thank you so much to those who donated).<br>
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I can't afford to take this any further; I have a small practice. I don't have a good estimate yet for the cost for a petition for rehearing, but ballpark is $30K.<br>
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But it's more than that. Reviews are rarely granted and to increase the likelihood of success we need amici. I think that the IP organizations (INTA, AIPLA, IPO, ABA) should be alarmed by the unchecked rulemaking power of the USPTO, which doesn't apply just
to trademarks, but patents too. Other organizations should be alarmed by the fact that the PTO has zero concern for vulnerable populations, privacy in general, or computer security. Through eliding by the PTO, the board also misunderstood that other countries
do NOT require address information and seemed to weigh that incorrect fact fairly heavily, so we need someone to correct that misunderstanding. I understand that the amici lift is fairly light though, limited to 2600 words.<br>
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I can't afford, in money, time or contacts, to do it by myself anymore. I also have to decide fairly soon whether to petition for rehearing so my lawyer will have time to brief it.<br>
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Chestek Legal<br>
300 Fayetteville St.<br>
Unit 2402<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/16/2024 7:28 AM, Heather Vargas via E-trademarks wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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of support, we either “pledge” a specific amount that Pam or her proxy can come ask us to fulfill, or we set up a fund and Pam can decide when day zero to file the motion hits, if we put our money where our mouths are. I am sorry that I cannot personally
coordinate this; I am almost a year into covering my practice plus my partner’s who has been on medical leave for the better part of a year, but I will pledge or contribute if one of these things happens.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">
<e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com" target="_blank"><carl@oppedahl.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>The appeal effort up until now had cost the applicant/appellant really a lot of money, many tens of thousands of dollars. I am aware of at least one member of the listserv who contributed a bit of money toward that cost.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Yes, an <i>en banc </i>request might be worth pursuing. This would cost some tens of thousands of dollars in addition to the costs already incurred.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I wonder whether the trademark community would be willing to pony up the cost of the
<i>en banc </i>request? Possible approaches could include setting up a gofundme (which would incur fees to the provider of the gofundme service) or perhaps a listserv member serving as the collection point for contributions. I imagine there any of a number
of listserv members who could be trusted to provide that service and would not ask for any fee for that service.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Carl<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">On 2/15/2024 8:57 AM, John L. Welch via E-trademarks wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Maybe a request for
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Erikson, Daan <a href="mailto:Daan.Erikson@huschblackwell.com" target="_blank">
<Daan.Erikson@huschblackwell.com></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Cc:</b> Welch, John L. <a href="mailto:John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">I have read this decision and am curious what others think of the reasoning. I find the last part of the decision (page 13) particularly perplexing. Isn’t it circular to say that an agency doesn’t have to prepare for every eventuality,
especially when there is nothing in the record about privacy concerns, when there wasn’t a reason for people to be concerned about privacy during the notice and comment period? And anyway how is this change not a substantive rule that affects individual rights
and obligations when it affects individuals’ privacy rights?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John L. Welch via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> John L. Welch <<a href="mailto:John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com" target="_blank">John.Welch@WolfGreenfield.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.<o:p></o:p></p>
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