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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Ah, OK. That may be an artifact of the PTO’s system for withdrawals. For docket numbers, even if I delete them on a form (as when taking over for another firm, etc.) the number
will stay unless it is replaced by something else. The withdrawal form automatically imports the client’s email from the application info, but I suspect that if you leave the secondary email blank it will keep what was already there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Kelcey Patrick-Ferree <kpf@patrickferreelaw.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 29, 2024 9:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kevin Grierson <kgrierson@cm.law><br>
<b>Cc:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Trademark Mill<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do have contact information for the applicant, who is now the primary contact for the application, both physical address and email address. It's just that the secondary email address is the trademark mill's email address, and the docket
number is still the trademark mill's docket number.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Warm regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 5:52 PM Kevin Grierson <<a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law">kgrierson@cm.law</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Doesn’t a withdrawal petition have to provide proposed contact information for the applicant? A mailing address if
not an email address?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kelcey Patrick-Ferree via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 29, 2024 6:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a> Carl <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kelcey Patrick-Ferree <<a href="mailto:kpf@patrickferreelaw.com" target="_blank">kpf@patrickferreelaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Trademark Mill<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I've somehow never had this come up before. I have a client who is concerned about an application filed by a Legalzoom-type trademark mill. Since the mill employee is an attorney
and was listed as the attorney of record, I sent a letter about the concerning application to the mill employee. The mill employee promptly withdrew as attorney of record for the application and asked me to contact the applicant directly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But the mill's email address is still listed as a secondary email address for contacting the now-technically-unrepresented applicant, and the "docket number" code hasn't changed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Seems like they're trying to be the attorney of record without actually being the attorney of record/representing the applicant. Anyone ever seen this before?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Warm regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">By Appointment: 136 S. Dubuque St., Iowa City, IA 52240</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Mail: P.O. Box 148, Iowa City, IA 52244
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