<div dir="ltr"><div>That would make sense, partially. In this case, the application hasn't even been assigned to an Examiner yet, so there is no issue of post-registration withdrawal, and the communication from the mill* said they "no longer represent" the applicant (as opposed to this being outside the scope of the representation), so I was not clear on why the information hadn't been completely removed. A PTO system that keeps any information that isn't explicitly replaced during the withdrawal process is, sadly, completely believable.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, there was no secondary email address in the original Attorney section. The mill's email address had to be moved to the secondary address line. If they have a limited-scope representation, I'm not sure why they wouldn't just tell me that rather than go through the whole withdrawal process.</div><div><br></div><div>It doesn't matter much; I have the contact information I need. It's just bothering me.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>* Objection to terminology duly noted, but it's easier to keep using it than switch at this point.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><font color="#000099"><b>Kelcey <span>Patrick</span>-<span>Ferree <br></span></b></font></div></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Phone: (IA): (319) 383-0659<br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Phone (MN): <a href="tel:%28612%29%20568-5573" value="+16125685573" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">(612) 568-5573</a><div>Email: <a href="mailto:kpf@patrickferreelaw.com" target="_blank">kpf@patrickferreelaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 12:18 PM Kevin Grierson <kgrierson@cm.law> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg800135815343636180">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Kelcey Patrick-Ferree <<a href="mailto:kpf@patrickferreelaw.com" target="_blank">kpf@patrickferreelaw.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 29, 2024 9:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kevin Grierson <kgrierson@cm.law><br>
<b>Cc:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Trademark Mill<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do have contact information for the applicant, who is now the primary contact for the application, both physical address and email address. It's just that the secondary email address is the trademark mill's email address, and the docket
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kelcey Patrick-Ferree via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 29, 2024 6:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a> Carl <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kelcey Patrick-Ferree <<a href="mailto:kpf@patrickferreelaw.com" target="_blank">kpf@patrickferreelaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Trademark Mill<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've somehow never had this come up before. I have a client who is concerned about an application filed by a Legalzoom-type trademark mill. Since the mill employee is an attorney
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:rgb(0,0,153)">Kelcey Patrick-Ferree
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<b><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">Patrick-Ferree Law, P.L.L.C.</span></b></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">By Appointment: 136 S. Dubuque St., Iowa City, IA 52240</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Mail: P.O. Box 148, Iowa City, IA 52244
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Phone (MN): <a href="tel:%28612%29%20568-5573" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">(612) 568-5573</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Web: <a href="https://patrickferreelaw.com/" target="_blank">https://patrickferreelaw.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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