<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /></head><body><div>FWIW, The PTO provided 3 hours of CLE on searching about a month ago. The first hour was the basics, the second was advanced search using field tags, and in the third they got into Regex. The videos are available on the search "front" page: https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/search. They also shared materials from those webinars, which are under the heading "clearance searching" on the same page. I must confess that I was pretty lost by the third hour. 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Ormos <ormos-lists@ormos.org><br />Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Regex search<br /><br />EXTERNAL EMAIL<br /><br />Carl Oppedahl wrote:<br />> Pamela Chestek wrote:<br /><br />>> For one thing, it means that whenever you do a search you have to<br />>> make a decision about whether to use the Advanced syntax or the regex<br />>> syntax. And it appears there are situations where you /must/ use one<br />>> or the other, such as my t-shirt example, which means you have to be<br />>> highly skilled with both.<br /><br />>> If you don't remember that the search string in regex must be<br />>> lowercase, and enter the term as it actually appears in the ID, you<br />>> may have just screwed the pooch. It's just an invitation to disaster<br />>> because unless you are a master of both you won't realize that your<br />>> query was malformed. [...]<br /><br />>> There are so many examples of unreliable queries - forgetting a colon<br />>> after the field tag, or failing to use all caps for connectors, also<br />>> give you some results and you may not realize they are unreliable. I<br />>> have submitted a request that a malformed query be flagged. It might<br />>> not be possible with the t-shirt example, but it should be possible<br />>> to at least identify syntactical errors.<br /><br />> What she said.<br /><br />The search language of the new system seems exceptionally brittle for something intended to be used by the public, or by anyone who has not received extensive training and does not practice searching daily.<br /><br />If we believe the trademark examining attorneys use the same search system, perhaps the training materials are available through FOIA.<br /><br />--<br />E-trademarks mailing list<br />E-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com<br />http://oppedahl-lists.com/mailman/listinfo/e-trademarks_oppedahl-lists.com<br /></div></body></html>