<div dir="ltr">Agreed Carl. I always tell clients to expect an office action on the description of the mark, on any non-TMID description, and any potentially disclaim-able aspect of the mark. I will just start collecting the $100 fee upfront. It is really a better use of the client's time and money to pay the examiner $100 to tell me what is acceptable on that particular day than for me to agonize over it and still get it wrong. <div><br></div><div>However, I would really like them to stop telling me that "Ltd." is not a Canadian Corporation. Will I have to pay the $100 fee when they are WRONG about the entity designation?</div><div><br></div><div>Many, if not most, foreign applicants have non-standard descriptions, and this will also be a tax on them.</div><div><br>Best,</div><div>Dineen</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 5:43 PM Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>This reminds me of the difference between a "plus" and a
"non-plus" case. Basically if you file a "plus" case, the
Examiner carries out a nit-pick and if the Examiner finds a real
or imagined flaw in any of a dozen or so categories, you get
dinged for the fee difference between "plus" and "non-plus". I
learned years ago to simply always file as "non-plus". This saves
having to apologize to the client for having somehow failed to
catch something that would result in getting dinged for the fee
difference between "plus" and "non-plus".</p>
<p>It's one thing if you were to hold yourself to the standard of
noticing that you are on the verge of failing to say the entity
type. But it is not a realistic goal to promise to the client
that the Examiner will not find some real or imagined flaw in one
of the judgment-call areas such as description of the mark. I had
one case where it was a judgment call about the color statement.
The Examiner was convinced that there were one or two pixels in
yellow (out of maybe a million pixels) and so my failure to
mention the color "yellow" in the color statement led to my
getting dinged for dinged for the fee difference between "plus"
and "non-plus".</p>
<p>So now I never file "plus" and then I never have to apologize to
the client for failing to mention a yellow pixel or whatever.<br>
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<p>And now if this new gouge takes effect, there will be no fewer
than twenty nit-pick areas available to the Examiner, once again
where some of them are very much judgment calls rather than simple
yes-or-no things to check. So I plan to always quote to the
client the $100 gouge fee. And if against all odds the Examiner
does not find any real or imagined flaw in the twenty-item
checklist, then I can give the client the good news that it won't
have to pay the $100 gouge fee after all.</p>
<p>If this gouge fee goes into effect, one of the main victims will
be Madrid filers. Over the years I have seen many, many Madrid
cases where the filer failed to say "where they are incorporated"
or "what the entity type is". And the Madrid case designates the
US, and the Examiner flags this lapse. And it will now be a $100
lapse.<br>
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<div>On 3/25/2024 4:06 PM, Ronni Jillions
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 25, 2024 3:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Proposed trademark
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Richard Morris via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, March 25, 2024 at 3:00 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Richard Morris <<a href="mailto:richard@4trademark.com" target="_blank">richard@4trademark.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Proposed trademark fees changes
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trademark fees
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part of our
regular
assessment of
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fee-setting
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are proposing
certain
adjustments
necessary to
efficiently
and
effectively
administer the
U.S. trademark
system. These
fees provide
our agency
with the
ability to
implement
programs and
initiatives
driving our
2022–2026
Strategic
Plan,
including
developing
news ways to
fight fraud,
supporting our
employees and
stakeholders
with reliable
IT
infrastructure,
and enhancing
our work to
reduce
pendency. Our
proposed
changes to the
trademark fees
can be found
in a
<a href="https://lnks.gd/l/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJidWxsZXRpbl9saW5rX2lkIjoxMDEsInVyaSI6ImJwMjpjbGljayIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmZlZGVyYWxyZWdpc3Rlci5nb3YvcHVibGljLWluc3BlY3Rpb24vMjAyNC0wNjE4Ni9zZXR0aW5nLWFuZC1hZGp1c3RpbmctdHJhZGVtYXJrLWZlZXMtZHVyaW5nLWZpc2NhbC15ZWFyLTIwMjU_dXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXN1YnNjcmlwdGlvbmNlbnRlciZ1dG1fY29udGVudD0mdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fbmFtZT0mdXRtX3NvdXJjZT1nb3ZkZWxpdmVyeSZ1dG1fdGVybT0iLCJidWxsZXRpbl9pZCI6IjIwMjQwMzI1LjkyMzQ1NDcxIn0.6N6BzCNHLozdKzmJULC_AsyXGnfWMf2N4-MoN7g_vAk/s/532765906/br/239555935206-l" target="_blank">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,238)">notice of proposed rulemaking</span></a> (NPRM)
that will
officially
publish
tomorrow in
the Federal
Register. An
NPRM on
proposed
patent fee
changes is
forthcoming.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:11.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">“This
trademark fee
proposal
thoughtfully
promotes
efficient
operations,
adjusts for
higher
operating
costs, and
sufficiently
finances
ongoing and
planned
initiatives
that optimize
our service to
American
entrepreneurs,”
said Under
Secretary of
Commerce for
Intellectual
Property and
Director of
the USPTO
Kathi Vidal.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:11.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Our
trademark fee
proposal
provides
additional
resources to
enable us to
deliver
high-quality
and timely
trademark
examination
and review
proceedings
that produce
accurate and
reliable
trademark
rights for
domestic and
international
stakeholders.
It also
enables us to
spend
additional
efforts to
declutter the
trademark
register and
address fraud
that impacts
American
entrepreneurs.
The rule will
enable the
USPTO to
accomplish our
mission to
drive U.S.
innovation,
inclusive
capitalism,
and global
competitiveness. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:11.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Our
proposal is
shaped by
public
feedback we’ve
received
throughout the
past several
months,
beginning with
a
<a href="https://lnks.gd/l/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJidWxsZXRpbl9saW5rX2lkIjoxMDIsInVyaSI6ImJwMjpjbGljayIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnVzcHRvLmdvdi9hYm91dC11cy9ldmVudHMvdHJhZGVtYXJrLXB1YmxpYy1hZHZpc29yeS1jb21taXR0ZWUtZmVlLXNldHRpbmctaGVhcmluZz91dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249c3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uY2VudGVyJnV0bV9jb250ZW50PSZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9uYW1lPSZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWdvdmRlbGl2ZXJ5JnV0bV90ZXJtPSIsImJ1bGxldGluX2lkIjoiMjAyNDAzMjUuOTIzNDU0NzEifQ.sR0Vb7d49oExZWy6Io2glAinCovdv3yvWhoQ37-vT_0/s/532765906/br/239555935206-l" target="_blank">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,238)">public hearing</span></a> in June 2023 hosted by
our Trademark
Public
Advisory
Committee
(TPAC).
Following the
hearing, TPAC
provided our
agency with a
written report
detailing the
public
comments
received and
its
recommendations
regarding the
proposed fees.
We considered
and analyzed
all comments
and feedback
to create this
proposal. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:11.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">To
learn more
about the
USPTO’s
proposed fee
changes,
please visit
our
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,238)">Fee Setting and Adjusting page</span></a>. Written
comments on
the proposed
trademark fee
changes in the
NPRM can be
submitted via
the
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,238)">Federal eRulemaking Portal</span></a> using docket
number
PTO-T-2022-0034
by May 28.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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