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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Yup, the box phenomenon for the </span><span style="font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">€</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> characters was not retained via copy/paste to my email editor.</span></div>
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I invite everyone to try viewing the relevant records on TM Search and TSDR. For your convenience, here's a search the retrieves 20 € records by their serial numbers.</div>
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SN:( 79206207 79222651 79227677 88618843 88904222 89001449 89001455 89001460 89001461 89001471 89001473 89001474 89001475 89001476 90458807 90664900 90716488 90830820 98057893 98061771 )</div>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Most, but not all, have € in the word mark (the 89-series records have
</span><span style="font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">€</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> as the first character of the word mark). A few are standard character marks. View the word marks on TM Search and TSDR. On TSDR, check the
display of the design code 241705 for the trademarks having that design code. Then export the entire list and then check the word marks in that Excel file. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Happ</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">¥</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> Trad</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">€</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">ma</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">®</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">king,</span></div>
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<b>From:</b> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf of Gerry J. Elman via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 7, 2024 12:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gerry J. Elman <gerry@elman.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Standard Character € Watch: This Is W€Î®D™</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Hi, Ken,</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Thanks for your perseverance.</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Curiously, when reading your email on my Samsung Android cellphone, the character you describe as the box symbol appears as the Euro symbol in black on a yellow (highlighted) background.</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr; color: rgb(87, 87, 87);">-Gerry gerry@elman.com </div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: serif; color: rgb(87, 87, 87);">Gerry J. Elman, Elman IP</div>
<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: serif; color: rgb(87, 87, 87);">6117 St James Pl, Denton, TX 76210</div>
<div style="direction: ltr; color: rgb(87, 87, 87);">office ph. 610-892-9942 mobile 610-909-2468</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">From: Ken Boone via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></div>
<div style="direction: ltr;">Date: 4/7/24 12:34 PM (GMT-06:00)</div>
<div style="direction: ltr;">To: "E-Trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></div>
<div style="direction: ltr;">Cc: Ken Boone <boondogles@hotmail.com></div>
<div style="direction: ltr;">Subject: [E-trademarks] Standard Character € Watch: This Is W€Î®D™</div>
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Admittedly, it has been a while since I've looked for occurrences of the € (the Euro character, the standard character with decimal value 128), in part because the two searches</div>
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WD:( *€* ) AND LD:true</div>
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( WD:/.*\€.*/ ) AND LD:true</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">both only retrieve a single trademark record, namely
</span><span style="font-family: PublicSans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(33, 37, 41); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">98057893</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> with
</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>€</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>MPRESS</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> with
the word mark entry. Both TM Search and TSDR show </span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>€</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>MPRESS</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> as
the word mark entry, though TSDR indicates that <i>No Image exists for this case</i> (which is a little weird).</span></div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Today, I retrieved from my archives a list of trademarks with the
</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">€</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> character in
the word mark. Several of those trademarks are now dead, but reviewing the live trademarks, things got W€Î®D™ (</span><span style="font-family: PublicSans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(33, 37, 41); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">88618843</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">,
though WEIRD is the current word mark entry). </span></div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">For example, TM Search shows
</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>ANYTHING THAT PRODUCES (C)</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>€</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>URRENCY</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> as
the word mark entry for 88904222 (a standard character mark), but toggle to TSDR and
</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>ANYTHING THAT PRODUCES (C)</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">€</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>URRENCY</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> is
the word mark entry, where the expected occurrence of the </span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><b>€</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> instead
has a </span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">⮗</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (box
symbol) displayed. Huh? (I hope that symbol doesn't get corrupted via email.)</span></div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Then there's 90458807 with
</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>BAN</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>€</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>K$</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> as
the word mark on TM Search, but toggle to TSDR and see </span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>BAN</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">€</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>K$</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> as
the word mark (that </span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">⮗</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> box
phenomenon again)</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">, plus that box symbol appears in the design code description
</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>24.17.05 - Pound sterling symbol (£); Yen (¥) and Euro (</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"><b>€</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>)</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">. </span></div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Exporting my TM Search records, only
</span><span style="font-family: PublicSans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(33, 37, 41); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">98057893</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> with
</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>€</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>MPRESS</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> with
the word mark entry</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> included the
</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">€</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> character
in the word mark</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">. The
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phenomenon did not occur. No character appeared in the exported Excel file where the
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I've seen this unexpected behavior with both Edge and Chrome as my browser.</div>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Happ</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">¥</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> Trad</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">€</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">ma</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">®</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">king,</span></div>
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