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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">Dale,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">I wouldn’t say “far greater risk” since generally the risk of being robbed at gunpoint is pretty small to begin with. And even if you don’t carry all your passwords around
with you in an app on your phone, there’s also a risk that someone could break into your office and force you at gunpoint to open up your password manager on your desktop computer. (Or to give them the little black book where you’ve written down all your passwords.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">If you’re like me (and, I suspect most people with multiple credit cards) you don’t follow the advice to only carry one card at a time in your wallet in case you get robbed,
but carry several credit cards because that’s more convenient.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">There’s always a tradeoff between security and convenience.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Best regards,<br>
<b>Richard A. Schafer | Schafer IP Law</b></span><span style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">P.O. Box 230081 | Houston, TX 77223<br>
M: 832.283.6564 | </span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">richard@schafer-ip.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Dale Quisenberry <dale@quisenberrylaw.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 19, 2024 8:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Richard Schafer <richard@schafer-ip.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] User verification suddenly required despite being securely logged into MyUSPTO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But it’s a far greater risk if you carry those passwords with you everywhere you go, true?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dale<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">C. Dale Quisenberry <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Quisenberry Law PLLC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">832.680.1000<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Apr 18, 2024, at 7:50<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM, Richard Schafer <<a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com">richard@schafer-ip.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">No, “Tell me your password for X or I’ll shoot you” is always a risk, regardless of whether you keep your passwords in a software-controlled vault or on a piece of paper.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">The concern is about the security of the password manager. Lastpass had more than one security breach that exposed user data. The best password managers run security audits
to try to prevent such occurrences, but the risk is there.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">But consider the alternative: how else do you manage your passwords, and how secure is that technique? For many people who don’t use software assistance, password management
involves reusing the same password over and over again, writing the passwords down on a piece of paper, and choosing relatively weak passwords. Where their employer requires changing a password from time to time, they often keep the same base password and
suffix it with a sequence number or an increasing number of the same special character. All of that is markedly less safe than using a good password manager software.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">Carl’s right that keeping your TOTP 2FA code generation in the same password manager as your passwords is an extra risk that can be avoided by not using the feature offered
by more and more password managers of keeping 2FA code generation in the same password vault. But I’ll admit that I’ve accepted that risk for the convenience. Let’s be honest, convenience is going to drive a lot of our decisions on what level of security (and
accompanying inconveniences) we’re willing to accept.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">Finally, there is constant research into better ways to provide secure authentication than passwords. The FIDO Alliance develops open standards for authentication and device
attestation. More and more major sites are using some sort of FIDO authentication standards. You may have seen places that use “passkeys” instead of passwords. Those are often using FIDO standards. There are FIDO security keys that combine hardware-based authentication
with biometrics to avoid using passwords, for example, that are supported by Windows and Mac logins, Gmail, Dropbox, Facebook, Salesforce, and others.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Best regards,<br>
<b>Richard A. Schafer | Schafer IP Law</b></span><span style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">P.O. Box 230081 | Houston, TX 77223<br>
M: 832.283.6564 | </span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">richard@schafer-ip.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Dale Quisenberry <<a href="mailto:dale@quisenberrylaw.com">dale@quisenberrylaw.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 18, 2024 5:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Richard Schafer <<a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com">richard@schafer-ip.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] User verification suddenly required despite being securely logged into MyUSPTO</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is it a concern of those who use these password managers that someone could put a gun in your face and demand your phone and hold it to your face to open it and access your passwords and thus everything protected by those passwords presumably
including access to financial accounts? Or is that not a risk? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">C. Dale Quisenberry <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Quisenberry Law PLLC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Apr 18, 2024, at 5:22<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM, Richard Schafer via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#993366">There are lots of password managers out there; I’ve used Roboform for years.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#993366"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#993366">But at my previous law firm, the chief security officer had (and I think still has) a firm rule prohibiting the use of password manager software as unsafe because of the risk
that someone might be able to break the password vault maintained by the software. I vigorously disagreed, citing NIST and others, but was unable to convince him. I don’t know how widespread that opinion is.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#993366;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Best regards,<br>
<b>Richard A. Schafer | Schafer IP Law</b></span><span style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#993366;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#993366;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">P.O. Box 230081 | Houston, TX 77223<br>
M: 832.283.6564 | </span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#993366"><a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">richard@schafer-ip.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thilo C. Agthe via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 18, 2024 4:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Thilo C. Agthe <<a href="mailto:thilo.agthe@wg-law.com">thilo.agthe@wg-law.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] User verification suddenly required despite being securely logged into MyUSPTO</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I second 1Password. I use the same.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Castree via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 17, 2024 7:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sam Castree <<a href="mailto:sam@castreelaw.com">sam@castreelaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] User verification suddenly required despite being securely logged into MyUSPTO</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ugh, I've been trying on and off for the past year and a half to get my MyUSPTO account updated to my current e-mail at my current firm. At least I can use the old e-mail to log in, so
it hasn't stopped me from working, but it is ridiculous.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ZOMG Gerry, I was caught in an endless verification loop where it made me do that I think 4 times with the drivers’ license/face capture before I finally cracked and contacted ID.me.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">But here’s the thing: if you’re in the Infinite Verification Loop with any agency, the hangup is often ID.me and then you can’t get into your account to log into Id.me to access their “faster” response team.
In my case, they had decided that my account was connected with my prior work email, to which I have no access, obviously. No worries though, says the “help” page, just type in your old inaccessible email address with your old password. The chances that I’m
going to remember a prior password, from a year ago, is .000002%.No worries, says the help page, just put in a few guesses – sorry, guys, the fact that we’re all forced to register 8FUN€beach§woohoo34# means that unless you write them all down you’re screwed.
So there is no way to get in at ALL. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So you go to ID.me and fill out the “help”email, because you can only report that way, and they say “high volume but will get back to you within a week”. But … we have an 8&15 and the client finally surfaced
and it’s due tomorrow!! So a friend suggested that I call the TM Assistance Center, and ask to talk w true TEAS "technical problems people" and plead for help. They have some kind of Big Red Phone to get in touch with ID.me and get you a response much sooner.
Once I did that, I heard from ID.me a few hours later and the problem was solved by the next day. Not lickety-split, but much faster than the week a lot of people have to wait for ID.me.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gerry J. Elman via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gerry J. Elman <<a href="mailto:gerry@elman.com" target="_blank">gerry@elman.com</a>>; Kartik Kumar <<a href="mailto:Office@elman.com" target="_blank">Office@elman.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] User verification suddenly required despite being securely logged into MyUSPTO</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have "sponsored" a remote paralegal to log into MyUSPTO for both trademark and patent matters. Up to now that was working ok. But yesterday, after logging into MyUSPTO, he was stymied from accessing the page for a Section 8 trademark
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<p class="MsoNormal">Instead he was presented with a screen demanding that he provide an additional form of "verification" via the
<a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fID.me&c=E,1,OaD2j1z59sUNAdOfdGsU2-fUozGx4Nw1einR6N3ou5cql64oOvktGThgdKamlQoiQVTWy4e_5cpjH6eLeeRu51_Zost0e5fy98y337mIDDeq&typo=1&ancr_add=1" target="_blank">
ID.me</a> platform, even though he was already securely logged into MyUSPTO with its own identity factor. Several months ago I had successfully "sponsored" him as a paralegal working for me. See attached screenshot.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And I find that the <a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fID.me&c=E,1,q230Rx-T3V4Xo_RLOkbGCi1lRaS1X94Car77y7dIDHE6pRlFZkpspg--rROVFoaNtdG7_Akk2n05Plf9U9sBwprQuZ_iIQXAShtDp3dy&typo=1&ancr_add=1" target="_blank">
ID.me</a> platform is skewed towards people located in the United States. He is working for me from outside the border.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Has anyone else encountered this sudden impediment to ongoing trademark work? I had no notice that this additional barrier was going to be erected. Did I miss a notice from USPTO? Has this requirement been vetted under the Paperwork
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<p class="MsoNormal">Any advice as to whom to contact at USPTO? The Trademark Help Desk wasn't able to provide help here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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