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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">That's a good point. But here, the specimens do not include the URL so I can't copy and paste to confirm that they are even there. So I may have been conflating the two issues. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Regardless, this situation stinks. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 02:04:41 PM EDT, Jarvis, Joshua <jjarvis@foleyhoag.com> wrote:
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<p class="ydp3f21cf5fyiv9547255280MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Nancy – while I don’t disagree that the specimens are suspicious, unlisted videos on YouTube
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks<br clear="none">
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<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com>; Kevin Grierson <kgrierson@cm.law>; Robert Rosenthal <rrosenthal@phd-ip.com><br clear="none">
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<p class="ydp3f21cf5fyiv9547255280MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">note that it has a weird time window<span class="ydp3f21cf5fyiv9547255280hyphen">—</span>I think the registrations have to more than three years old but less than ten?</span></p>
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<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>; Kevin Grierson <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">kgrierson@cm.law</a>>; Robert
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<p class="ydp3f21cf5fyiv9547255280xydpdbd9643cyiv7915887346msonormal"><span style="color:gray;"> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><span style="color:gray;text-decoration:none;">kgrierson@cm.law</span></a></span></p>
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<p class="ydp3f21cf5fyiv9547255280xydpdbd9643cyiv7915887346msonormal"><b><span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> E-trademarks <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nancy Prager via E-trademarks<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 19, 2024 1:40 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> E-TM-Mail-Server <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br clear="none">
<b>Cc:</b> Nancy Prager <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:nancyprager@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">nancyprager@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Two issues</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp3f21cf5fyiv9547255280xydpdbd9643cyiv7915887346msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I was doing a knock out search this morning for a client. I was shocked to see that the USPTO accepted two specimens which have significant
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1) In the screenshots for YouTube videos that purport to support that there are multiple episodes of a show the videos are clearly marked as unlisted. Unlisted videos are not technically publicly available on the platform. Each of the videos had between
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2) Another specimen is clearly a picture where the mark has been transposed on a generic journal. Like a notebook you buy at the store. I am shocked it was accepted. this was processed in 2022. <br clear="none">
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In both instances I cannot find any evidence of actual use on the internet, or on YouTube years after the videos were purportedly uploaded. <br clear="none">
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Both marks are within the initial 5 year window. Is my client's only option to cancel the marks? Is there another option so that my client doesn't have to incur costs? Also, couldn't the registrant start using the marks now once notified of the cancellation
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thanks in advance! Hope to meet some of you at the INTA reception. <br clear="none">
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Best,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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Nancy </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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