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<i>>> Honestly, I'm more relieved that RD:20240430 yields the same number of hits at the combination of RD:20240430 AND RN:* plus RD:20240430 NOT RN:* . No weird, indeterminate third state.</i></div>
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I have observed that weird, indeterminate third state several times, as TM Search does not terminate a search session as the daily update occurs, so search results can become weird when performed as the daily update occurs or when comparing searches performed
before and after an update. Following is a write-up of that phenomenon that I recorded on April 23rd.</div>
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As it happens, on April 23rd, I was awake at 5:30 ET and began checking Trademark Search for updates. At 5:30, the search UD:20240423 did NOT retrieve any trademarks. I subsequently appended the time to the end of my search. Exporting that session summary
and then sorting the search summary by Query generated the following table - that the update that day began around 5:45 AM and concluded around 5:48 AM. </div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">LD:true 5:45</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 4,196,733</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">LD:true 5:46</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 4,196,668</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">LD:true 5:47</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 4,194,604</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">LD:true 5:48</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 4,196,611</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 2,007</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">LD:true 5:48</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 4,196,611</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">LD:true 5:49</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 4,196,611</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">UD:20240423 5:44</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">UD:20240423 5:45</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 2,441</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 2,441</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">UD:20240423 5:46</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 2,441</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">UD:20240423 5:47</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 16,132</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 13,691</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">UD:20240423 5:48</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 23,135</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 7,003</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">UD:20240423 5:49</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"> 23,135</span></div>
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On TESS, the date & time of the last update was displayed on the search screen with a message like</div>
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<i>TESS was last updated on Sat Apr 17 08:13:25 EDT 2021</i></div>
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and TESS blocked all users from performing searches while the update was in progress. That update date/time information does not appear on Trademark Search, plus since a search session can continue for several days, weird results are possible.</div>
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Happy Trademarking,</div>
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PS - If you perform a search that yields up to 500 hits, you might try exporting that hit list with the
<i>First 500 results</i> option, then sort that Excel file by serial number and check for duplicate serial numbers is Excel file. I had another search (319 results for FD:20240505 AND LD:true, where 100 duplicate serial numbers appeared in the exported listing)
that, when exported, some duplicate serial numbers appeared. That is, the actual hit list did not include duplicate serial numbers, but the exported results was corrupted with duplicate serial numbers. I did share that search and generated Excel file with
the USPTO via the feedback feature.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf of Sam Castree via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 6, 2024 9:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sam Castree <sam@castreelaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Recent Registration Date Processing Change?</span>
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<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: "times new roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 16px;">Honestly, I'm more relieved that
</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"><i>RD:20240430</i> yields the same number of hits at the combination of
<i>RD:20240430 AND RN:*</i> plus <i>RD:20240430 NOT RN:* </i>. No weird, indeterminate third state.</span></div>
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<i>Sam Castree Law, LLC</i></div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 11:15 AM Ken Boone via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" id="OWA5ea1d037-625d-2907-1e85-bc811c233724" class="OWAAutoLink">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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I tried to do a quick check of registrations issued last Tuesday. </div>
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The search <b>RD:20240430</b> retrieves 7,212 trademarks. I assumed each would have a registration number. </div>
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The search <b>RD:20240430 AND RN:*</b> only retrieves 7,080 trademarks. Same for the search
<b>RD:20240430 AND SA:registered</b>. </div>
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Alternatively, the search <b>RD:20240430 NOT RN:*</b> retrieves 132 trademarks. Same for the search
<b>RD:20240430 AND SA:review</b>. Same for the search <b>RD:20240430 AND RG:supplemental</b>. The Trademark Search
<i>status</i> LIVE PENDING is reported for these 132 trademarks, while the TSDR has
<i>Review prior to publication completed</i> as the status. (Well, the few I checked.)</div>
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These unusual occurrences (registration date entries without corresponding registration numbers) got me looking for other such occurrences. The search
<b>RD:[* TO 20240505] NOT RN:*</b> retrieves <b>191</b> trademarks. That is, for registration dates up to today, 191 trademarks have a registration date entry but do NOT include a registration number. Conveniently, that's a small enough count to export all
191 trademarks, and I have summarized those 191 trademarks by registration date (all calendar year 2024) in the following table.</div>
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(Okay, something is wrong with my summary, as I only list 127 instead of 132 trademarks for 04/30/24. Ooops.)</div>
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Is this an expected behavior - that the USPTO would load a registration date for a trademark record without a registration number? Do you suppose this behavior is because the USPTO is
<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"><i>maintaining a legacy system, Trademark Reporting And Monitoring (TRAM), as well as an updated one, and the issue will resolve when we retire TRAM</i></span>? Thoughts?</div>
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Wait. I observed a similar phenomenon with the published for opposition date field.</div>
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The search <b>PO:20240430</b> retrieves 10,864 trademarks. I assumed all those trademarks were published for opposition last Tuesday. Not so fast. The search
<b>PO:20240430 AND SA:published</b> only retrieves 10,734 trademarks. Alternatively, the search
<b>PO:20240430 AND SA:review</b> retrieves 108 trademarks, where TSDR has the status
<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"><i>Review prior to publication completed</i></span> for the trademarks I checked. (Expanding the date range via the search
<b>PO:[* TO 20240430] AND SA:review</b> retrieves 11,324 trademarks {all live} with published for opposition date entries that have passed and the term
<b><i>review </i></b>in the SA - Status field, though since that field is NOT displayed on TM Search ...)<span style="font-weight: 700;"> </span>Again, is this the behavior that you expected for the published for opposition field? Thoughts? </div>
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