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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Castree via E-trademarks<br>
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<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Trademarks without vowels<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#444444">Don't those types of marks also get the full written word entered as a pseudo mark on USPTO's end as part of the application record?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 4:25<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM Cumbow, Bob via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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and, alternatively, descriptiveness without secondary meaning; the TTAB overturned the refusal on both grounds. See John Welch’s TTABlog coverage at
<a href="https://thettablog.blogspot.com/2023/08/ttablog-test-is-snkrs-generic-for-or.html" target="_blank">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Edward Timberlake via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 13, 2024 1:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Edward Timberlake <<a href="mailto:ed@timberlakelaw.com" target="_blank">ed@timberlakelaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Trademarks without vowels</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 3:54<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM Dale Quisenberry via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I feel like there has been some discussion about trademarks without vowels, but am not finding it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">An example is an application is filed on TMBLR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Suppose a registration already exists for TUMBLER for the same goods/services.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Has anyone encountered a similar situation? Will the Examiner issue a likelihood of confusion refusal? Are you aware
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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