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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Louis J. Levy, Esq.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:#4472C4;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><a href="http://www.lermansenter.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#4472C4">BELLES</span></a> KATZ LLC
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Orvis via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 18, 2024 2:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Orvis <orvispc@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Challenge Examiner's Reliance on Non-U.S. Websites<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I have challenged such evidence with an analogy to Mucky Duck. Mucky Duck relatedness cannot rely on Section 44 registrations because there is no evidence of use in the US. The same should apply
to a foreign based website. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">May 18, 2024 2:17:05 PM Richard Schafer via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D">You should probably review the Bayer-Belmora FLANAX litigation, as well.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Best regards,<br>
<b>Richard A. Schafer | Schafer IP Law</b></span><span style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">P.O. Box 230081 | Houston, TX 77223<br>
M: 832.283.6564 | </span><span style="font-family:"Goudy Old Style",serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:richard@schafer-ip.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">richard@schafer-ip.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 18, 2024 12:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rick Bigelow via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Janet Satterthwaite <<a href="mailto:jsatterthwaite@potomaclaw.com">jsatterthwaite@potomaclaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Challenge Examiner's Reliance on Non-U.S. Websites</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">These are cites from a TTAB brief on an opposition objecting to introduction of foreign confusion evidence. I did not write the brief and have not read the cases, but they may
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Double J of Broward Inc. v. Skalony Sportswear GmbH, 21 USPQ2d 1609, 1612-13 (TTAB 1991); Johnson & Johnson v. Salve S.A., 183 USPQ 375, 376 (TTAB 1974) (foreign use of mark creates
no rights in mark in U.S.). See also Oland’s Breweries [1971] Ltd. v. Miller Brewing Co., 189 USPQ 481, 489 n.2 (TTAB 1975) (use or promotion of a mark confined</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">to a foreign country, including Canada, is immaterial to ownership and registration in U.S.), aff’d, Miller Brewing Co. v. Oland’s Breweries, 548 F.2d 349, 192 USPQ 266 (CCPA 1976).
Concerning possible exceptions, see Article 6bis of the Paris Convention; Person’s Co. v. Christman, 900 F.2d 1565, 14 USPQ2d 1477, 1480 (Fed. Cir. 1990) (knowledge of foreign use, in itself, does not preclude good faith adoption and use in U.S.); Double J
of Broward Inc. v. Skalony Sportswear GmbH, 21 USPQ2d 1609, 1612- 13 (TTAB 1991); See TBMP section 414(13).</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 18, 2024 11:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rick Bigelow via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Steve Zemanick <<a href="mailto:Steve@fourreasonslegal.com">Steve@fourreasonslegal.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Challenge Examiner's Reliance on Non-U.S. Websites</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Happy weekend listmates,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m hoping someone has suggestions for challenging an Examiner’s reliance on third-party websites to demonstrate relatedness when the websites in question are for non-U.S. entities. It
seems to me that without a showing that these entities are conducting business in the U.S., the evidence is irrelevant or at least non-probative. Citations or examples of past submitted arguments are most welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you as always.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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