<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span style="font-size:16px">Dear Kevin,</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span style="font-size:16px">While I certainly agree with what you've said, I can kind of live with the split between software goods and software as a service, if for no other reason than my mind has been working with the goods/services distinction for so long, and the whole system of international classes and all. But recorded and downloadable software are in <i>the same class</i>. It's a headache for my video game developer clients who might have a physical release planned but not as quickly as the digital download.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px">Cheers,</span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"> </span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt">Sam<span> Castree, III</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:medium"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><span><i>Sam Castree Law, LLC</i></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>3421 W. Elm St.</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>McHenry, IL 60050</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>(815) 344-6300</i></span></span></span></font></div></div></div></div></span><br></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 10:18 AM Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And of course, the division between recorded/downloadable software and software as a service, which is in a completely separate class even though the distinction between downloadable and non-downloadable SaaS offerings gets blurrier every
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I just need to say how much I
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<p class="MsoNormal">It really depends a lot on whether the second product fits within the description in the registration. For example, if your client is lucky enough to have a registration old enough
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Judith S via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 21, 2024 2:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carl Oppedahl <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Judith S <</span><a href="mailto:judith.a.s@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">judith.a.s@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Use in commerce</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:white">EXTERNAL EMAIL</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a small client that approached me about renewing their registered mark. However, since they obtained the mark their business has changed.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. They still make available replacement parts with the branding for the original product.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. They have an alternative product that they use the brand with, which is still within the goods description, but different from their original use. The alternative product is
a sub-component of a different system which has separate branding.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would we be able to rely on just the first use (replacement parts)? The product is still described on their site, but not available for new purchasers. Just servicing existing
customers.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would there be any issue if we used the second use, for a product which is different but falls within the same goods/services description?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd appreciate any insight.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Judith<u></u><u></u></p>
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