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<p>For starters, I would write to the Madrid list if you haven't.</p>
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<p>My two cents:</p>
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<i> Is "hosting a web site" really outside the scope of
"providing a web site?" Is it worth arguing this point with the
MPU Trademark Specialist?</i></p>
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<p>I think they're different. "Hosting" would be a place for third
parties to set up a website, e.g., you're Blogspot, Wordpress or
GitHub. "Providing a web site" is providing your own website, for
example, one that might be informational, "providing a website on
how to install faucet washers."<br>
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<p><i> If I don't disagree with the WIPO Examiner's suggested
changes, can I just not response and the mark will register with
those changes?</i><br>
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I would have to read the Notice of Irregularity, but I think it
will say it will issue with the original ID, to which they will
add a bracketed note saying that WIPO found the particular item
unacceptable, which the various countries will take into account
when they are examining the application.<br>
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<p>Pam<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/5/2024 2:29 PM, Heather Balmat via
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 5, 2024 9:46 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks-L] Madrid description
woes--USPTO won't suggest IB's proposed language from Notice
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Resurrecting this thread, because I have encountered the same
situation described in Kevin's email below. I'm hoping for
confirmation that if I'm okay with the WIPO Examiner's
proposed changes, I can just not respond to the Notice of
Irregularity and they will make those changes and things will
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The Notice of Irregularity only requests amendments to the ID,
which I thought were acceptable. My reading of the Notice of
Irregularity was that if I don't disagree, I don't have to
respond, and the mark will proceed to registration with the
WIPO examiner's changes. I emailed the MPU to confirm, and
they told me that, no, I DO have to respond, even to accept
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Now I get the Denial of Response to Irregularity from the MPU
- they think that WIPO's suggested language of "hosting a web
site" is outside the scope of the original US description
"providing a web site" and so are refusing to forward my
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If it matters, some of the proposed changes involve moving
services between classes; otherwise, it's just tweaking the
wording. I have also just received a first OA on the US
application requiring amendments to the ID (but no movement
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 12, 2021 10:10 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Pamela Chestek <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com"><pamela@chesteklegal.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks-L] Madrid description
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<div>Perhaps have you amended the US ID already? I've had this
happen twice, doing exactly the same thing, and the MPU was
very helpful. The International application will reflect the
ID as originally filed. So if you cut and paste from what WIPO
is asking, but in the meantime you have amended the US ID
(probably to narrow it), then the USPTO will reject it as
outside the scope of the current US ID. You have to take the
US ID and make the amendments to it that WIPO is requiring.<br>
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Pam<br>
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an irregularity notice from the IB regarding a
description of goods in an international application,
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appeared to me to be pretty much identical. So, I cut
and pasted the IB examiner\u2019s description into the
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proposed revision \u201cexceeds the scope of goods . . .
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