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<p>I have done that, which resulted sometimes in having to make the
same change in every jurisdiction, thus making me regret my
decision, and sometimes no one cares. I guess another question to
ask is whether it might affect future enforceability, reading the
WIPO position in the ID itself as a vulnerability that could be
exploited. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/5/2024 3:59 PM, Heather Balmat
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<i> If I don't disagree with the WIPO Examiner's suggested
changes, can I just not response and the mark will register
with those changes?</i><br>
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I would have to read the Notice of Irregularity, but I think it
will say it will issue with the original ID, to which they will
add a bracketed note saying that WIPO found the particular item
unacceptable, which the various countries will take into account
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Yes, that is what the Notice of Irregularity says. I'm inclined
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] [E-trademarks-L] Madrid
description woes--USPTO won't suggest IB's proposed language
from Notice of Irregularity</font>
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<p>For starters, I would write to the Madrid list if you
haven't.</p>
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<p>My two cents:</p>
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<i> Is "hosting a web site" really outside the scope of
"providing a web site?" Is it worth arguing this point with
the MPU Trademark Specialist?</i></p>
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<p>I think they're different. "Hosting" would be a place for
third parties to set up a website, e.g., you're Blogspot,
Wordpress or GitHub. "Providing a web site" is providing your
own website, for example, one that might be informational,
"providing a website on how to install faucet washers."<br>
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<p><i> If I don't disagree with the WIPO Examiner's suggested
changes, can I just not response and the mark will register
with those changes?</i><br>
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I would have to read the Notice of Irregularity, but I think
it will say it will issue with the original ID, to which they
will add a bracketed note saying that WIPO found the
particular item unacceptable, which the various countries will
take into account when they are examining the application.<br>
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<p>Pam<br>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 6/5/2024 2:29 PM, Heather
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks-L] Madrid description
woes--USPTO won't suggest IB's proposed language from
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Resurrecting this thread, because I have encountered the
same situation described in Kevin's email below. I'm
hoping for confirmation that if I'm okay with the WIPO
Examiner's proposed changes, I can just not respond to the
Notice of Irregularity and they will make those changes
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The Notice of Irregularity only requests amendments to the
ID, which I thought were acceptable. My reading of the
Notice of Irregularity was that if I don't disagree, I
don't have to respond, and the mark will proceed to
registration with the WIPO examiner's changes. I emailed
the MPU to confirm, and they told me that, no, I DO have
to respond, even to accept the changes. So, I did.</div>
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Now I get the Denial of Response to Irregularity from the
MPU - they think that WIPO's suggested language of
"hosting a web site" is outside the scope of the original
US description "providing a web site" and so are refusing
to forward my response to the IB. So, my questions for
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If it matters, some of the proposed changes involve moving
services between classes; otherwise, it's just tweaking
the wording. I have also just received a first OA on the
US application requiring amendments to the ID (but no
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks-L] Madrid description
woes--USPTO won't suggest IB's proposed language from
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<div>Perhaps have you amended the US ID already? I've had
this happen twice, doing exactly the same thing, and the
MPU was very helpful. The International application will
reflect the ID as originally filed. So if you cut and
paste from what WIPO is asking, but in the meantime you
have amended the US ID (probably to narrow it), then the
USPTO will reject it as outside the scope of the current
US ID. You have to take the US ID and make the amendments
to it that WIPO is requiring.<br>
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Pam<br>
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notice from the IB regarding a description of
goods in an international application, with a
suggestion for a revised description that appeared
to me to be pretty much identical. So, I cut and
pasted the IB examiner\u2019s description into the
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action from the PTO\u2019s MPU that the proposed
revision \u201cexceeds the scope of goods . . . in the
basic application.\u201d</span></p>
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examining \u201ctrademark specialist,\u201d but her voice
mail out of office message isn\u2019t encouraging, as
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me\u2014the PTO won\u2019t let me make the change to the
description that the IB wants. Anybody
encountered this catch-22 before? In the
alternative\u2014are the examining offices in the
designated countries really going to care if the
IB attaches a statement that that the IB thinks
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