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Yes, that is the required change I typically see.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/6/2024 7:51 AM, Tim Ackermann via
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<div dir="ltr">Heather,
<div>Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but the
Madrid MGS suggests this form: "providing ____ information via
a website".
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 4:57\u202fAM
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<div>I don\u2019t know, but I\u2019d be interested to hear if anyone
knows of other language the IB would accept for \u201cproviding
a website.\u201d I couldn\u2019t find anything useful in their ID
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I wonder if someone thinks \u201chosting\u201d a web site is
akin to hosting a pod cast or a show,
<div>eg Johnny Carson, not the network or producer, or
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Resurrecting this thread, because I have
encountered the same situation described in
Kevin's email below. I'm hoping for
confirmation that if I'm okay with the WIPO
Examiner's proposed changes, I can just not
respond to the Notice of Irregularity and
they will make those changes and things will
progress accordingly..</div>
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The Notice of Irregularity only requests
amendments to the ID, which I thought were
acceptable. My reading of the Notice of
Irregularity was that if I don't disagree, I
don't have to respond, and the mark will
proceed to registration with the WIPO
examiner's changes. I emailed the MPU to
confirm, and they told me that, no, I DO
have to respond, even to accept the changes.
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Now I get the Denial of Response to
Irregularity from the MPU - they think that
WIPO's suggested language of "hosting a web
site" is outside the scope of the original
US description "providing a web site" and so
are refusing to forward my response to the
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If it matters, some of the proposed changes
involve moving services between classes;
otherwise, it's just tweaking the wording. I
have also just received a first OA on the US
application requiring amendments to the ID
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:
[E-trademarks-L] Madrid description
woes--USPTO won't suggest IB's proposed
language from Notice of Irregularity</font>
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Perhaps have you amended the US ID already?
I've had this happen twice, doing exactly
the same thing, and the MPU was very
helpful. The International application will
reflect the ID as originally filed. So if
you cut and paste from what WIPO is asking,
but in the meantime you have amended the US
ID (probably to narrow it), then the USPTO
will reject it as outside the scope of the
current US ID. You have to take the US ID
and make the amendments to it that WIPO is
requiring.<br>
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Pam<br>
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style="font-family:Gotham">Got an
irregularity notice from the IB
regarding a description of goods in
an international application, with a
suggestion for a revised description
that appeared to me to be pretty
much identical. So, I cut and
pasted the IB examiner\u2019s description
into the response form and submitted
it via TEAS.</span></div>
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style="font-family:Gotham">Just got
an office action from the PTO\u2019s MPU
that the proposed revision \u201cexceeds
the scope of goods . . . in the
basic application.\u201d</span></div>
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style="font-family:Gotham">Tried to
call the examining \u201ctrademark
specialist,\u201d but her voice mail out
of office message isn\u2019t encouraging,
as it says \u201cHappy New Year\u201d and says
she\u2019ll be returning in January of
2021.</span></div>
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style="font-family:Gotham">This is a
new one on me\u2014the PTO won\u2019t let me
make the change to the description
that the IB wants. Anybody
encountered this catch-22 before? In
the alternative\u2014are the examining
offices in the designated countries
really going to care if the IB
attaches a statement that that the
IB thinks the spec is too vague?</span></div>
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