<div dir="ltr">For sure, and here I didn't make any attempt to isolate the issue; these could have gone abandoned for any number of reasons, this was just "on the list" of the problems.<div><br></div><div>It's usually quite a bit safer to draw a causation line from 2(d) refusal -> pre-pub abandonment than something like a 2(e) issue.<br><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000">Matt Schneller</font><div><font color="#000000">Partner<br></font><div><font color="#000000">TM TKO, LLC</font></div><div><font color="#000000">206-679-1895</font></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 11:44 AM Kevin Grierson <kgrierson@cm.law> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg6249701630259860128">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Schneller via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 14, 2024 12:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Statistics on overcoming Office Actions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We pulled some very rough numbers for Office Actions issued between 3/1/23 and 9/1/23. We were aiming for sufficiently recent actions that a lot of these have "final outcomes" now, but still reflect current trends.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Overall, for applications that had any OAs in that period, 43% have been published and/or registered, 26% went abandoned, and the rest are still pending pre-publication. So much for the 3-month response deadlines speeding up time-to-outcomes?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For those with 2(d) refusals, 17% have been published and/or registered, 39% have gone abandoned, and 43% are still pending. If things continue on the current trend (and maybe they won't, as those that are getting second refusals probably
 tend to ultimately be unsuccessful more often than the norm? I haven't researched that.), it'll be about a 30% success rate in overcoming the refusal. That is pretty consistent with historical levels.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2(e)(1) refusals are trending about 50-50 in final outcomes, although about 1/3 of the total are still pending. The data there is a little less precise, as sometimes the Office uses overlapping language for disclaimer requests and 2(e)(1)
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