<div dir="ltr"><div>That's a perfect example of how agencies under <i>Chevron</i> have been more democratic than (I predict) courts will be under <i>Loper Bright</i>. For an agency to issue such an interpretation, the agency had to observe notice-and-comment and all the other requirements of the Administrative Procedure Act, and all those other laws that you see at the end of almost every NPRM, and it could only go forward with at least tacit blessing of the President. Most regs of that form have to go through multiple rounds, each modified to meet public concern, and it's only after multiple rounds of tuning that they issue as final rules.</div><div><br></div><div>In contrast, when courts interpret -- and they're just as capable of absurdity -- as a practical matter, there's no public participation at district court level, and the only way to have influence at either Circuit Court or Supreme Court is formal amicus brief, which is out of reach for almost everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>Be careful what you wish for, and be careful to compare apples to apples.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 5:07 PM Suzannah K. Sundby <<a href="mailto:suzannah@canadylortz.com">suzannah@canadylortz.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-9092704817164674770">
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Federal Agencies interpreting statutory law in an absurd way that bypasses Congress and/or turns the purpose of a statute on its head… e.g., Title IX being interpreted to force schools to allow biological males in female sports.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I EMPHATICALLY disagree that "This decision is a start towards a more democratic government!!" There are things to be said on both sides, but that statement is pure ignorance. Justice Kagan sums it up -- "A rule of judicial humility gives
way to a rule of judicial hubris." Executive branch bureaucrats have some political accountability, and work from records that are thousands to hundreds of thousands of pages. Judges don't. (Yesterday, Justice Alito in
<i>Moyle</i> patted himself on the back for mastering a record of 1300 pages and a couple hours of oral argument. If an agency had made a major decision on such a thin record, it'd be arbitrary and capricious.)<u></u><u></u></p>
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its high-water mark in the late 1990s -- I agree, back then, it was a real problem. But it self-corrected. (Her explanation is darn close to my brief
<a href="https://ssrn.com/abstract=4520183" target="_blank">https://ssrn.com/abstract=4520183</a> ) I suggest reading her dissent (starting at page 82) first, then read the majority -- the majority's willful blindness is pretty apparent if you read Kagan first.
(I did it the conventional way, but I was deeply steeped in the case, so I could see my "magical thinking" flashers going off as I read Roberts. If you're not an administrative law expert, read Kagan first.)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">First, litigators. Justice Roberts has really underestimated the amount of uncertainty and re-litigation this is going to bring.<u></u><u></u></p>
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