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<span dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Hopefully, the TTAB will come to the same conclusion. </span>
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<p>Jul 18, 2024 7:44:49 AM John L. Welch via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com>:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" mso-ligatures: standardcontextual;margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos", sans-serif;"><span style="color:#002060;font-family:"Georgia",serif;">Thank you. So, where the client/protestor’s goods read, in whole or in part on the subject application’s goods, or if they’re in the same class, or it’s really just that obvious, would it be sufficient to simply recite the client’s registrations on which the Letter of Protest is based?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" mso-ligatures: standardcontextual;margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos", sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Same. Got this from a successful letter of protest notification (just one mark submitted):</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" mso-ligatures: standardcontextual;margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos", sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I think the paragraph in 1715.05(a) you reference is only talking about evidence of confusion where the goods and services are NOT identical: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" mso-ligatures: standardcontextual;margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos", sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">So I think the idea here is that if you’re going to submit evidence of relatedness of goods or services, you have to show that the third-party marks you’re using are use-based registrations and not 66(a) or 44(e) registrations.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" mso-ligatures: standardcontextual;margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos", sans-serif;"><span style="color:#002060;font-family:"Georgia",serif;">Am I missing something? I recently filed several Letter of Protests (which, ultimately, were accepted with the evidence being forwarded to the respective examiners). The Letters of Protest were all based on likelihood of confusion issues.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" mso-ligatures: standardcontextual;margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos", sans-serif;"><span style="color:#002060;font-family:"Georgia",serif;">TMEP Section 1715.05(a) states: “<span style="background:white;">Note that a list of registration numbers, a chart containing the registration numbers and identified goods/services, or a copy of a search report is not proper evidence to show the relatedness of the goods or services in the registrations. Rather, copies of the registrations or the electronic equivalent thereof showing current status and title (i.e., printouts or electronic copies taken from the trademark search system or TSDR database of the USPTO) must be submitted.</span>” So, I’ve submitted TSDR printouts of the client’s (protestor’s) registrations (no more than 5 registrations), along with the required index. I did not submit copies of the actual Certificates of Registration.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" mso-ligatures: standardcontextual;margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos", sans-serif;"><span style="color:#002060;font-family:"Georgia",serif;">The TMEP appears to be telling me one thing, while the Attorney Advisor issuing the notification is telling me something else. Which is correct? If I don’t have to go through the exercise of downloading copies of the client’s registrations as supporting evidence, that would be a great timesaver.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=" mso-ligatures: standardcontextual;margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Aptos", sans-serif;"><span style="color:#002060;font-family:"Georgia",serif;">Thanks, in advance.</span></p>
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<p><strong><span style="color:#4D4D4D;font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">Leesa N. Weiss</span></strong><b><span style="color:#4D4D4D;font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><br><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">Partner</span></em><br></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><img border="0" width="120" height="94" style="width:1.25in;height:.975in;" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image010.png@01DAD8E5.DA9725A0"></span><span style="color:#4D4D4D;font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><br>
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