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While I'm still NOT an attorney, I have a few comments about those pesky 89-series records.</div>
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When I entered the USPTO in 1993 as an IT Specialist, I was instructed that the 89-series records were not trademarks, but that they were included in the search databases because they are protected by international law
<i>like</i> trademarks - that each live 89-series record was equivalent to a trademark registration.</div>
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I always thought that the USPTO should have created a filing basis, say <span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);">
<b><i>6ter</i></b></span>, for each 89-series record. Apparently, that was too much trouble.</div>
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I always thought that the USPTO should have entered GS text for each 89-series records, say something like
<span style="color: rgb(12, 100, 192);"><i>ALL GOODS AND ALL SERVICES IN ALL CLASSES</i></span>. Again, too much trouble.</div>
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I always thought that the USPTO should add the 8-digit serial number as the registration number - that the search criterion RN:* would include 89-series records as registrations (with the filing date as the registration date). Again, too much trouble.</div>
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When I was at the USPTO, I was tasked with loading some of the 89-series records - kind of a training exercise to learn the editing program for entering/updating USPTO records, or perhaps as punishment for asking too many questions. (Checking today, most of
the 89-series records with the € (Euro symbol) in the word mark look very familiar, that I likely added most of those, so try the search
<span style="background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><b>SN:89* AND LD:true AND WD:*€*</b></span> and you may be seeing some of the 89-series records that I loaded.)</div>
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Below are a few searches that I just performed. In summary, there currently are 3079 live 89-series records and 18 dead 89-series records. Every live 89-series record has all 48 International Classes (including International Classes 200, A and B, though technically
those are NOT International Classes). The 5<sup>th</sup> search shows that NONE of the live 89-series records have any specified goods or services.</div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">SN:89* AND LD:true</span></td>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">SN:89* AND LD:true AND IC:001 AND IC:002 AND IC:003 AND IC:004 AND IC:005 AND IC:006 AND IC:007 AND IC:008 AND IC:009 AND IC:010 AND IC:011 AND IC:012 AND IC:013
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A story (well, rumor) about the 89-series records I heard while at the USPTO: In the 1930's, Germany requested protection for their Nazi insignia and provided samples of items with the Nazi insignia (flags, silverware, military insignia, etc.). When the US
entered WWII, the protections of those Nazi insignia were voided. But what happened to the sample items with the Nazi insignia? Presumably, some USPTO employee quietly stole those items from storage. Well, that was the rumor, but maybe those items actually
were transported to the National Archive and are quietly sitting in storage in some warehouse next to the Ark of the Covenant.</div>
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PS - On TSDR, many of the documents for the recent 89-series records are missing. That is, some entity had to request the USPTO to add the new 89-series records to the trademark database, but those requests are not documented as correspondence on TSDR. I
did question TAC as to why such documents were not available on TSDR. Below is, in part, the response from TAC.</div>
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<i>Thank you for contacting the Trademark Assistance Center (TAC) regarding Application Serial No.89002788 89002789 89002790 89002791 89002792 89002793 89002794 89002795 89002796 89002797 89002861 and 89002877. TSDR will not have supporting application that
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Non-registration data (i.e. the 89 series) are signs and insignia that are provided for information. They are not registrations, but they are "active" to the extent there is an underlying statute that protects them. They are notified under Article 6ter and
not objected to by the USPTO. So they can be a basis for refusal and cited against a mark in an application. There can be some "inactive" 89 records, those that were withdrawn and for which there is no longer an obligation to protect.</i></div>
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<b>Cc:</b> Franco, Laura <LFranco@mintz.com>; Elman Office - Pratyush/Shashi <Office@elman.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Mark not examined in over three years: OR Franz Kafka's</span>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">That’s exactly my understanding – but how to get the Examiner to see the error of her ways???</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b> Gerry J. Elman <gerry@elman.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 19, 2024 9:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Franco, Laura <LFranco@mintz.com>; Elman Office - Pratyush/Shashi <Office@elman.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [E-trademarks] Mark not examined in over three years: OR Franz Kafka's</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-size: 1pt; color: white;">Laura, Gee, I’ve been practising since 1967 and had never heard of a “series 89” mark record. I see that Dorsey & Whitney blogged about this
about 5 years ago atSeries 89: A Secret Menu of Protected Non-Registered Marks | TheTMCA.com What I infer from the blog post is that th </span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Century Schoolbook", serif; color: black;">Gee, I’ve been practising since 1967 and had never heard of a “series 89” mark record. I see that Dorsey & Whitney
blogged about this about 5 years ago at </span><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);"><u><a href="https://www.thetmca.com/series-89-a-secret-menu-of-protected-non-registered-marks/" id="OWA8c07f611-d10f-32bd-6f1a-979a4434ca3c" class="OWAAutoLink" shash="WokoT/2XGBAJMyNADeXL49Z7uXAT6cwchHcx/gm3GZoLVOZVKp6Y0F/xxqlb3kHbeDiN6FqRaLvVgHJly7fJ8wSVAzqSOV0NnyDvIj/hlgtwyqNDwcBUeOAWw0tPROaAZKDWSIH8hQtGnSGdO2dnAeNbYVYLW5p13gP67u8qJKA=" originalsrc="https://www.thetmca.com/series-89-a-secret-menu-of-protected-non-registered-marks/" data-auth="Verified" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Series
89: A Secret Menu of Protected Non-Registered Marks | TheTMCA.com</a></u></span>
<span style="font-family: "Century Schoolbook", serif;">What I infer from the blog post is that the Examining Attorney should not have suspended your application but should have rejected it under 15 U.S.C. sec. 1052 for confusing similarity to the cited series
89 mark and allowed you to argue against that. Is that your understanding?</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Century Schoolbook", serif;">I see that series 89 is referenced in TMEP 1204.05, as part of sec 1204.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Century Schoolbook", serif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Gerry J. Elman, J.D.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <<span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);"><u><a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" id="OWA9e03b59c-e91e-416e-1804-148a9ab59523" class="OWAAutoLink" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a></u></span>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Franco, Laura via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 19, 2024 9:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);"><u><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" id="OWAeacb7223-bd9c-86d4-7aa3-1c3d55e056bb" class="OWAAutoLink" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a></u></span><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Franco, Laura <<span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);"><u><a href="mailto:LFranco@mintz.com" id="OWAe90fed32-c3b4-3d21-48b4-ce60cfbcb5d9" class="OWAAutoLink" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">LFranco@mintz.com</a></u></span>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Mark not examined in over three years: OR Franz Kafka's</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Hi all,</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">I’m just seeing this thread, and want to chime in with a similar situation:</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">An app that incorporates my client’s mark was filed in 2021, and received a prior pending refusal, and was suspended. EXCEPT that the “prior pending” application was an 89 serial number
– designating non-registrable material (like Red Cross or Olympics, but it’s not either of them). I submitted a Letter of Protest explaining the situation, which was accepted and the “evidence” (legal argument and statutory cites?) was passed to the examiner
in January 2024. In February the Examiner did another suspension check. And nothing has happened since.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">What the heck! I’m concerned the examiner doesn’t understand that an 89 non-registrable material serial number will NEVER achieve registration, and that it is not actually a prior PENDING
application. I’m concerned that this suspension is going to go on in perpetuity. I spoke with the Senior Attorney in the relevant Law Office, and he wasn’t really helpful. I’ve been trying to reach the Managing Attorney in that LO, but he seems to be ignoring
my calls and emails.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Any suggestions here? Is there an intermediate place (above the LO and below the Commissioner) that would make sense to contact? Don’t say the Petitions Office – they shut me down
already.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">(Sorry if this post appears multiple times…I still can’t quite get the hang of this)</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Thanks in advance,</p>
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