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I will just take up all of your time to gripe that we still have to
rely on Mucky Duck for this kind of argument. For restaurants and
drinks we have a "something more" standard, which, inexplicably,
doesn't apply in any other field when it should. I am so tired of
refusals citing behemoth companies' products as proof of
relatedness, and only a meager number of webpages accepted as
adequate evidence when an industry has millions of vendors. We need
a significant update in the citable jurisprudence that comports with
reality.<br>
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There, I've said it.<br>
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Pam<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/27/2024 11:11 AM, Davis, Ted via
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Here’s some less of the same:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">[M]any
of the third-party registrations are owned by supermarkets
that sell their own brand of virtually every product. In
that marketing milieu, consumers do not perceive the
supermarket house brand, appearing on a wide variety of
products, as necessarily signaling that all such branded
products are commercially related products. Otherwise,
giving such third-party registrations probative value would
in effect create a “per se” rule that all products and
services available in a modern supermarket are related. In
this regard, the fact that applicant has applied to register
a wide variety of products does not change the perception of
consumers or give the third-party registrations any added
probative value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
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re Land O Sky, LLC</span></i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">,
No. 76633815, 2010 WL 183227, at *6 (T.T.A.B. Jan. 4, 2010)
(nonprecedential).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Precedential pro-applicant case law on this issue is scarce,
but, if you’re willing to cite to an opinion otherwise
affirming a Section 2(d) refusal,
<i>In re Mucky Duck Mustard Co</i>., 6 U.S.P.Q.2d 1467, 1470
n.6 (T.T.A.B. 1988), has some faintly useful language.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span
style="mso-ligatures:none"> E-trademarks
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 27, 2024 10:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kevin Grierson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law"><kgrierson@cm.law></a>;
Franco, Laura <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:LFranco@mintz.com"><LFranco@mintz.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] TTAB case cites for
why Amazon is not a good example of relatedness of goods<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Third-party registrations in the nature of house marks used
for a wide variety of items are of little value by themselves
to show that the various goods for which they are registered
are all related. Similarly, here where the website evidence
shows house marks used on a wide variety of goods, it is not
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Franco, Laura via E-trademarks<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] TTAB case cites for why
Amazon is not a good example of relatedness of goods<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I know this has been discussed before,
but I can’t find it in the archives (sorry!). I’m sure
you’ve all had a 2(d) refusal where applicant’s goods and
the cited registration goods are completely unrelated, yet
because the examiner finds that both types of goods are sold
under a big box brand like Home Depot, Target, Amazon, etc.,
the examiner says that they are related.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have citations or actual
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