<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">*search terms don't all need to be in lowercase</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Sincerely,</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ed Timberlake </font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><i><a href="https://www.nclawspecialists.gov/for-the-public/find-a-board-certified-specialist/results/detail/?id=29473" target="_blank">Board Certified Specialist in Trademark Law</a></i></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="http://timberlakelaw.com/" target="_blank"><b>Timberlake Law</b></a></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Chapel Hill, NC<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="https://clarity.fm/edtimberlake" target="_blank">Schedule a call on Clarity</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="mailto:ed@timberlakelaw.com" target="_blank">ed@timberlakelaw.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">919.960.1950<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zUm0zjuSoSf91b85RXakFjrbAqMcNkJek2_S8VO9eHNz9mDAX5u3RBN0aEhVODltVLqRN-NYsDzt7A"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 9:55\u202fAM Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg6354107914148748430">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">I have definitely done that before. All field tags and logic operators need to be in all caps; all search terms need to be in lowercase.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(15,23,46)">Kevin Grierson</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1pt;font-family:remialcxesans;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1pt;font-family:template-5QSGLunPEem16QANOhMLNA;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1pt;font-family:zone-1;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1pt;font-family:zones-AQ;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(15,23,46)"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James E. Lake via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 30, 2024 8:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> James E. Lake <<a href="mailto:jel@randalldanskin.com" target="_blank">jel@randalldanskin.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] TM search bar<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Great, thank you. I missed that line in the instructions.<span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Kevin Grierson <<a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law" target="_blank">kgrierson@cm.law</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 30, 2024 4:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> James E. Lake <<a href="mailto:jel@randalldanskin.com" target="_blank">jel@randalldanskin.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: TM search bar<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">You need to capitalize AND NOT. If you do that, you\u2019ll cut your results down to 1080.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James E. Lake via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 30, 2024 7:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> James E. Lake <<a href="mailto:jel@randalldanskin.com" target="_blank">jel@randalldanskin.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] TM search bar<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am new to this group, so this topic may have already been addressed.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Has anyone else noticed the \u201candnot\u201d Boolean operator at <a href="https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-information" target="_blank">
https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-information</a> appears to be programmed incorrectly? Per
<a href="https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/help" target="_blank">https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/help</a>, \u201cUse AND NOT if results must satisfy the first search term but not the second. For example, CM:*USPTO* AND NOT DC:* retrieves marks where the literal element of the mark includes
USPTO and there are no design search codes.\u201d However, it does not always work that way.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For the search query <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">AT: "john smith"~3 <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I get 1,402 results. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For the narrowed search query <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">AT: "john smith"~3 andnot AT: hill<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I get 27,181 results. Something seems very wrong here. As I understand it, the second search must necessarily yield the same or fewer results.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If I use the \u201cand not\u201d (with a space) operator from the USPTO instructions, instead of the more typical \u201candnot\u201d (no space) operator, then I get over 9,000,000 results!<u></u><u></u></p>
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