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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 27, 2024 3:49 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Annette Heller <tmattorneyheller@aol.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Examiner refusing to discuss revised ID!</font>
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<div class="x_yiv2729166327gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 5:36\u202fPM Annette Heller via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" shape="rect" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-style:normal; font-weight:400">Many of the manual ids are so specific and not applicable to one use. The manual needs a major overhaul since it seems to be a compilation of ids used in prior applications and not at flexible.<br clear="none">
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In a message dated 9/27/2024 4:16:48 PM Central Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" shape="rect" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">
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<div dir="ltr">Yes, they stick to the ID manual. In fact, given these trends, we can expect that those terms may become mandatory, whether by policy or practice.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 5:11\u202fPM Miriam Richter, Esq. via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" shape="rect" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt">Over the past year, I have gotten the feeling that because of the \u201cnewness\u201d of so many examiners, they are sticking to the rules and acting like there is no room for discussion \u2013 it\u2019s like someone put the fear of god into them
if they diverge even an inch!</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:black">Best, </span></p>
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<p><strong><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" shape="rect" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<strong>Cc:</strong> Janet Satterthwaite <<a href="mailto:jsatterthwaite@potomaclaw.com" shape="rect" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">jsatterthwaite@potomaclaw.com</a>><br clear="none">
<strong>Subject:</strong> [E-trademarks] Examiner refusing to discuss revised ID!</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">I think this is the fist time this has happened to me.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">I got a pretty dumb ID refusal from an Examiner. I responded, and he went final on me.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">His refusal is still pretty dumb, but I sent him an email with a proposed revision for us to discuss.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">He refuses to discuss and wants me to file my official response. I said it was customary and he said it's not required.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Are they on some kind of work-to-rule strike?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">I escalated to the Managing Attorneys for help. It is ridiculous to make me file an appeal brief on an ID issue where I still don't know what he wants.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:black">Grrr.</span></p>
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