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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Edward Timberlake via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 1, 2024 10:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Edward Timberlake <ed@timberlakelaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] TM search bar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">*search terms don't all need to be in lowercase<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James E. Lake via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 30, 2024 8:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> James E. Lake <<a href="mailto:jel@randalldanskin.com" target="_blank">jel@randalldanskin.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] TM search bar<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Great, thank you. I missed that line in the instructions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 30, 2024 4:56 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> James E. Lake <<a href="mailto:jel@randalldanskin.com" target="_blank">jel@randalldanskin.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: TM search bar<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James E. Lake via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 30, 2024 7:23 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> James E. Lake <<a href="mailto:jel@randalldanskin.com" target="_blank">jel@randalldanskin.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] TM search bar<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am new to this group, so this topic may have already been addressed.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Has anyone else noticed the \u201candnot\u201d Boolean operator at
<a href="https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-information" target="_blank">https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-information</a> appears to be programmed incorrectly? Per
<a href="https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/help" target="_blank">https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/help</a>, \u201cUse AND NOT if results must satisfy the first search term but not the second. For example, CM:*USPTO* AND NOT DC:* retrieves marks where the literal element of the
mark includes USPTO and there are no design search codes.\u201d However, it does not always work that way.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For the search query
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I get 1,402 results.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">AT: "john smith"~3 andnot AT: hill<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I get 27,181 results. Something seems very wrong here. As I understand it, the second search must necessarily yield the same or fewer results.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">If I use the \u201cand not\u201d (with a space) operator from the USPTO instructions, instead of the more typical \u201candnot\u201d (no space) operator, then I get over 9,000,000 results!<o:p></o:p></p>
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