<div dir="ltr">I agree with Kevin about China / Madrid. You're better off getting local counsel. It might not have been the case some time ago, but I think so now. <div><div>On the costs, don't neglect the USPTO certification fees (which do not show up on the WIPO estimator): </div><div><table style="border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235);width:1110px;margin-bottom:19px;color:rgb(27,27,27);font-family:"Public Sans Web",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";font-size:14px"><tbody style="box-sizing:border-box;vertical-align:top"><tr style="box-sizing:border-box;vertical-align:top"><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)">7.6(a)(1)(i)-(ii)</td><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)">Certifying an international application based on a single basic application or registration, per class</td><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)">$100.00</td><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)"><a class="gmail-ck-anchor" id="gmail-7901" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-weight:600;color:rgb(0,94,162)"></a>7901</td><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)">$200.00</td><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)">6901</td></tr><tr style="box-sizing:border-box;vertical-align:top"><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)">7.6(a)(2)(i)-(ii)</td><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)">Certifying an international application based on more than one basic application or registration, per class</td><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)">$150.00</td><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)"><a class="gmail-ck-anchor" id="gmail-7902" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-weight:600;color:rgb(0,94,162)"></a>7902</td><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)">$250.00</td><td style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:8px 11.2px;border:1px solid rgb(233,234,235)">6902</td></tr></tbody></table><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small">Tim Ackermann</div><div style="font-size:small">The Ackermann Law Firm</div><p><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1"><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">E: <a href="mailto:tim@ackermannlaw.com" target="_blank">tim@ackermannlaw.com</a></span><br><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">P: 817.305.0690</span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you have a pending US application, the filing process is easy and quick. The response times can vary dramatically by country. First, the application goes to the IB for review, then it is sent on to the designated countries. Depending
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<p class="MsoNormal">It\u2019s also worth noting that in some countries you are pretty much guaranteed a refusal\u2014China comes to mind. I have had several clients use Madrid for filings there, but we\u2019ve never gotten a successful registration there via Madrid. If
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 8, 2024 11:31 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Sam Castree <<a href="mailto:sam@castreelaw.com" target="_blank">sam@castreelaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Madrid Filings...?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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