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    <p>knocked it out of the park!  thank you for posting.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/8/2024 1:01 PM, Kevin Grierson
      via E-trademarks wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Same for trademarks.  We are in the process
          of filing a motion to dismiss in a TM infringement case for
          exactly that reason. 
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        <p class="MsoNormal">A predecessor's assignment of a trademark
          carries no right to sue for past infringement, unless the
          assignment explicitly states that it includes such a right<i>. 
            George W. Luft Co. v. Zande Cosmetic Co.</i>, 142 F.2d 536,
          541 (2d Cir. 1944) (explaining that an assignment does not
          convey existing claims for trademark or patent infringement,
          but a transfer of all of a corporation's assets would include
          existing causes of action for both);
          <i>see H&amp;J Foods, Inc. v. Reeder</i>, 477 F.2d 1053, 1056
          (9th Cir. 1973) (holding that pre-assignment damages are
          disfavored, and only allowed when the right to sue is clearly
          spelled out in the assignment);
          <i>Bulte v. Igleheart Bros.</i>, 137 F. 492, 493 (7th Cir.
          1905) (noting that the plaintiff had received all interest in
          the trademark at issue, including the rights of action for
          past infringement);
          <i>Lanard Toys, Ltd. v. Novelty Inc.</i>, 511 F. Supp. 2d
          1020, 1030 (C.D. Cal. 2007) (holding that the plaintiff had
          standing to sue for trademark infringement where the
          assignment included "the right to sue on existing causes of
          action");
          <i>Fair Undercar Care, Inc. v. Wakefield</i>, No. 91 C 7021,
          1992 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 10120, 1992 WL 162970, at *2 (N.D. Ill.
          July 7, 1992) (involving a trademark assignment that included
          "the right to sue for past infringement"). <o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><i>Persis Int'l, Inc. v. Burgett, Inc.</i>,
          No. 09 C 7451, 2011 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 115410, at *7-9 (N.D.
          Ill. Sep. 26, 2011).
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                E-trademarks
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">&lt;e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Quisenberry via E-trademarks<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 8, 2024 2:50 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for
                laypersons to seek legal advice.
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">&lt;e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Dale Quisenberry
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dale@quisenberrylaw.com">&lt;dale@quisenberrylaw.com&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Assigning right to
                sue for past infringements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"
              lang="EN-GB">I agree.  And on the patent side, there is
              case law going back to a late 1800\u2019s Supreme Court case
              called Moore v. Marsh (and more recently in Federal
              Circuit cases such as Arachnid) that say if the right to
              sue and recover for past infringement is not expressly
              assigned then it stays with the assignor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Quisenberry
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                      on behalf of Crane, Susan via E-trademarks &lt;<a
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                      <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 8 October 2024 at 1:45</span><span
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                      lang="EN-GB">pm<br>
                      <b>To: </b>For trademark practitioners. This is
                      not for laypersons to seek legal advice. &lt;<a
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                      <b>Cc: </b>Crane, Susan &lt;<a
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                      <b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] Assigning
                      right to sue for past infringements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">That language
                    has always been part of basically every assignment
                    I\u2019ve ever seen. Curious why, if it is already
                    included, counsel pushed back on what is then
                    essentially a belt and suspenders approach. 
                    <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Susan L.
                        Crane<br>
                        Group Vice President, Legal<br>
                        Intellectual Property, Brands &amp; Marketing<br>
                        <br>
                        Wyndham Hotels &amp; Resorts, Inc.<br>
                        22 Sylvan Way<br>
                        Parsippany, NJ 07054<br>
                        O (973) 753-6455<br>
                        M (973) 879-3420<br>
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                          lang="EN-GB">PM, Lara Pearson via E-trademarks
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                            I have included a provision in trademark
                            assignments that allows for the assignee to
                            act on and recover for past infringements. A
                            counterpart's counsel recently pushed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><span
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                      <pre><span
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                      lang="EN-GB">I hope this finds you smiling.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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                      <pre><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-GB">In the past couple years I have included a provision in trademark assignments that allows for the assignee to act on and recover for past infringements. A counterpart's counsel recently pushed back on this saying that a basic assignment of the Mark &amp; goodwill automatically included those rights. I cannot recall when exactly, nor why, I started including that specific past infringement language in my assignments.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                      <pre><span
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                      <pre><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"
                      lang="EN-GB">I would love to hear your thoughts on whether including this extra language is prudent, necessary, or unnecessary, and why. <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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                      <pre><span
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                      lang="EN-GB">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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                      <pre><span
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                      <pre><span
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                      lang="EN-GB">Lara Pearson, Esq.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                      <pre><span
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                      lang="EN-GB">Law Office of Lara Pearson Ltd, PBC &amp; Brand Geek<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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                      <pre><span
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                      lang="EN-GB">Creative typoing by iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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