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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="#467886" vlink="#96607D" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Plus, in China you might consider getting local counsel to help create and then file the trademark in Mandarin. Although we\u2019ve had mixed success (two translations were both rejected for the same mark), there ARE 1.4 billion potential consumers there\u2026</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mark</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Mark S. Kaufman</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Kaufman & Kahn, LLP</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Email: <a href="mailto:kaufman@kaufmankahn.com"><span style="color:#0563c1">kaufman@kaufmankahn.com</span></a> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif"><a href="http://www.kaufmankahn.com/"><span style="color:#0563c1">www.kaufmankahn.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">10 Grand Central</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">155 East 44<sup>th</sup> Street, 19<sup>th</sup> Floor</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">New York, NY 10017</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Mobile: +1 (917) 453-7807</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Tel.: (212) 293-5556, x 2</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><img border="0" width="371" height="51" style="width:3.8645in;height:.5312in" id="Picture_x0020_1722818314" src="cid:image005.png@01DB197B.7D6DEEF0"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">This email is intended only for the party to whom it is addressed and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination or copying of this email is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, kindly notify us immediately, return the email to us, and destroy any electronic or other copies of the email (including any notification to us in your \u201cSent\u201d folder). Thank you in advance for your cooperation and courtesy.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 8, 2024 11:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Kevin Grierson <kgrierson@cm.law><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Madrid Filings...?</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">If you have a pending US application, the filing process is easy and quick. The response times can vary dramatically by country. First, the application goes to the IB for review, then it is sent on to the designated countries. Depending on whether you get a notice of irregularity from the IB, the initial review process generally takes a month or so. </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">From there, the specific countries you designate have to review the application. Some are pretty quick\u2014the UK and Australia come to mind. Some are slow\u2014countries have up to 18 months to review, and Canada usually takes up that full time (which is still a lot faster than filing there directly). </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">It\u2019s also worth noting that in some countries you are pretty much guaranteed a refusal\u2014China comes to mind. I have had several clients use Madrid for filings there, but we\u2019ve never gotten a successful registration there via Madrid. If the client wants a registration there we generally recommend using local counsel.</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Castree via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 8, 2024 11:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> for trademark practitioners <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Sam Castree <<a href="mailto:sam@castreelaw.com">sam@castreelaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Madrid Filings...?</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><div style="border:solid red 3.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:12.0pt;background:red"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:white">EXTERNAL EMAIL</span></p></div></td></tr></table><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Greetings, List Friends,</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I'm about to file an application for a U.S.-based client, and they're potentially interested in filing in several foreign countries, as well. (I don't think that they need it, and they're getting bad advice from a third party, but that's a separate issue.) I've dealt with Madrid filings maybe once before ever, and that was a while ago at a different firm.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Anyway, I'm trying to put together a rough cost estimate (or range of costs) for the client. I've already checked the Madrid fee calculator, and I'm about to send over a breakdown of the filing fees. That's where most of my cleints say, "You know what, never mind." I understand that things will probably depend quite a bit on which countries we apply to, but I would appreciate it if anyone can give me a quick breakdown of likely steps and overall time that goes along with this entire process. Apologies if this is far too complicated a request for an e-mail.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br clear="all"></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#222222">Cheers,</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#222222"> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#ff6600">Sam Castree, III</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#ff6600">Sam Castree Law, LLC</span></i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#222222"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#ff6600">3421 W. Elm St.</span></i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#222222"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#ff6600">McHenry, IL 60050</span></i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#222222"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#ff6600">(815) 344-6300</span></i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#222222"></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>